newbie 40yo advice

Hi All,

I am 40yo, 110kg, 1.86m tall, 20% body fat, I have been hitting it hard 5 days a week for 4+ years now and have a lift total of 500kg+ on good days.

Problem is I look like pretty average even though I eat right.

I want to start some juicing while the testo levels are still high-ish..!

what cycle? (or i am too old for this?!)

thanks and sorry I searched the topics but there are just too many threads

Regards

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If you 20 percent body fat then your diet is wrong, to many calories in and not enough our / calorie restricting / cardiovascular training. That's all there is to it. Unless you have thyroid issue, so a full physical is important.

Also to clarify a point "while test levels are still high". If you take juice you shut down natural production of test so your current levels have no influence on your levels while on gear. I suggest before you do anything take a blood test to establish your current levels of Test, Free Test and Estrogen, thyroid function. You will have a base line so once you come off and have run PCT you will know what your natural levels are. I am in the 40+ age group and cycle but in between run TRT doses of test so I don't bother with PCT - my test levels were low to start. As a first cycle, there are a number listed on the site, I would keep it simple. Run say 500-600mg p/w of Test (I personally like a mixed Esther combination like SuperTest or Testeplex (both are north of 300mg/ml of both long and shorter ester test). Jab 1ml 2x per week and see how it goes. I run Anastrozole throughout for the anti estrogen protection - I suggest running bloods regulatory to see the estrogen level and moderate the Anastrozole to keep it in range (too high or too low are both bad). What I would also run is 500mcg of HCG per week while on cycle to keep your nut size and keep,them primed for PCT after the cycle.

I personally wouldn't go with a fancy stack to start - ease your way in to this. As for PCT at the end, there are great protocols on the site.

If you thinking about doing a cycle, read Llewelyn Williams book first - gives a decent perspective (PCT protocols listed I recon are a bit dated, this site has better options) but the rest will give you context (the good, the bad and the ugly) - eyes wide open.

I would run a basic test at 250mg a week. That was my first cycle and i gained 20lbs of muscle and lost 7 lbs of fat. I used test cyp but i trained hard and hit cardio everyday before and after. And i also ate clean.. Do that and you will see. Results. More doesnt always equal better. Have your pct planned out and in hand before you cycle starts. Good luck

thanks guys.

got my first cycle ready, Dianabol and Testocyp. Fridge is full of clean food. PCT list ready
planning to stay on creatine, bit of HGH & pre workout mix. Whey (and daily multi vits, omega 3, vitB and milk thistle)

started with DBol this morning and taking as a spread through out the day and will do the first pin later today before gym.
program: 5 day split, traditional big lifts, 4 sets of 8-12, shoulders arms pump with 15-20 reps, 15 min cardio slow and steady
no more alcohol (sigh) and cigars will have to stay in the box for now (double sigh).

checked weight 112kg, BF not sure but i think about 21% but will get it measured.

wish me luck!

Morrgear wrote: I am in the 40+ age group and cycle but in between run TRT doses of test so I don't bother with PCT - my test levels were low to start.
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I suggest running bloods regulatory to see the estrogen level and moderate the Anastrozole to keep it in range (too high or too low are both bad).

Apologies if I go a little off topic here - I see you are combining TRT and steroids. Do you do your blood tests via your specialist (TRT), or do you just ask your GP for the tests ?

i see the GP, he request test and let me know if anything is out of line

Etterkop wrote: i see the GP, he request test and let me know if anything is out of line

Cool, thank you

hi Guys, quick update:

- 1 week into dbol testocyp as per your beginner bulk cycle (40mg per day and 2 pins per week)
- picked up 6.6 kg (maybe too much?) weighing 118.6 now will adjust to lower carbs and more protein
- should I add fat burners and increase cardio?
- horrible fatigue days 2-4 but upped water intake and better now
- slight water retention around ankles (should I start arimidex now?)
- not much other side effects
- great pump on 5 day split

advice will be much obliged thanks!

Hey Etterkop

Nah wouldn't worry to much about the weight gain yet, Dianabol comes with some water weight too. Same thing happened to me.

What fat burner do you want to add? Maybe start just with some cardio.
How much water are you getting in per day and are you using any milk thistle?

6.6kg in a week, now that's bloating for you at its best. Check and monitor your blood pressure dude

thanks D, will up cardio was thinking of FF15 but might be too much of a cocktail too early.
water about 3.5 litres p day and milk thistle twice daily with fish oil, multi vit, etc.

BP all ok thanks, maybe Im a bit freakish, I do deadlift 240kg, Tbar row 160kg, and so forth, thus I suppose its a 'bigger than usual' base I am starting from hence the weight increase. let me see the cycle through and start anti-estro.

I'm thinking it has more to do with 20% bodyfat and using test and dbol to be honest. You took advice from two relatively inexperienced members and ignored the advice of one of the most, it not the most experienced member. You shouldn't be taking steroids and trying to bulk at 20% bodyfat. Sorry if this sounds rude, I'm just being honest. Every other thread with loads of experienced input says to drop bodyfat below 15% (maximum) before taking gear and even lower than that before bulking! Just be careful sir, look after yourself, bulking up more could be bad for your health and probably won't look good although you don't seem too bothered with that, more of a powerlifting mindset.

Hormonas wrote: I'm thinking it has more to do with 20% bodyfat and using test and dbol to be honest. You took advice from two relatively inexperienced members and ignored the advice of one of the most, it not the most experienced member. You shouldn't be taking steroids and trying to bulk at 20% bodyfat. Sorry if this sounds rude, I'm just being honest. Every other thread with loads of experienced input says to drop bodyfat below 15% (maximum) before taking gear and even lower than that before bulking! Just be careful sir, look after yourself, bulking up more could be bad for your health and probably won't look good although you don't seem too bothered with that, more of a powerlifting mindset.

thanks Hormonas, no offence taken and thanks for taking the time type useable advice. I am checking vitals weekly and yes, you are correct, I am not after a cover page physique as increasing lifting totals is my aim

Hey Guys - yip still alive and made it despite warnings and advice!
F@ck me what a roller coaster it was for a 1st cycle
gained 5kg lean, strength about 10% increase, dropped 4% BF to 16%

Now I am on 3rd week of PCT after DBOL +test cyp.
Due to half-life I waited 4 weeks after last test pin and taking PCT
looking at doing your sample cycle: Anavar/Proviron next.
Want lean out with calorie deficit diet and this cycle

can i get going 1 April or must I wait longer? (15 day from today)
a bridge perhaps of test? what do you advise?