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28 Dec 2015 14:12 #194381 by saflyfish
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i see arimidex is very expensive.
Ive seen guys mentioning generic arimidex.
LP arimedex?what is LP?do pgw have generic arimidex?

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28 Dec 2015 14:15 #194383 by Pyroclasm
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LP= Liquid Pharmaceuticals. It's the PGW of orals. I only use LP orals as I don't trust any other brand. PGW do not make orals.

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28 Dec 2015 14:17 #194384 by Rooi Bul 86
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Hence Letrozole was and is recommended it is cheaper and you use less.

It is on you. It always has been...

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28 Dec 2015 15:40 #194395 by Hormonas
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saflyfish wrote: Cant find arimedex in durbs


You aren't looking hard enough haha

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28 Dec 2015 16:32 #194403 by saflyfish
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Ive had bad luck tracking stuff down.

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28 Dec 2015 17:38 #194404 by Hormonas
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saflyfish wrote: Ive had bad luck tracking stuff down.


The best and only advice I can give you without breaking rules is to literally go to the 5 biggest guys in the gym and ask them to help you out or put you in contact with someone who can. Steroids are everywhere. Absolutely everywhere lol
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29 Dec 2015 13:14 #194426 by saflyfish
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I have two questions which i cant seem to find definitive answers to maybe you guys can advise.
Ive read that some guys have experienced anxiety taking test.Others say it has taken their anxiety away.I have been prone to anxiety attacks so now im worried.Ten days of test cyp in my body scares me a little.
Looking at this 23 g needle is freaking me out...if i went the sc route of injecting with a smaller gauge is there a big difference compared to the im way in terms of effectiveness?

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29 Dec 2015 13:46 - 29 Dec 2015 13:49 #194427 by Hormonas
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saflyfish wrote: Ive read that some guys have experienced anxiety taking test.Others say it has taken their anxiety away.I have been prone to anxiety attacks so now im worried.Ten days of test cyp in my body scares me a little.

Looking at this 23 g needle is freaking me out...if i went the sc route of injecting with a smaller gauge is there a big difference compared to the im way in terms of effectiveness?


I haven't had any issues with any steroids effecting my anxiety. I've got PTSD so I have a lot of anxiety in general and I haven't noticed any changes, even on harsher things than Test. However, I can see how one could get anxious when thinking about using steroids, wondering if they are doing damage to their bodies, worrying about infections etc but I haven't felt any changes caused by the hormones themselves.

23g is a good gauge to use. I use 23, 24 or 25g, never had issues with 25g before except pushing a tiny bit harder on the plunger. I've even used insulin needles to inject Test E and C before with no issues except pushing bloody hard lol. Just make sure the needle is long enough, 23-25g should be fine and then around an inch long.
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29 Dec 2015 14:58 #194428 by saflyfish
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Hormonas wrote:

saflyfish wrote: Ive read that some guys have experienced anxiety taking test.Others say it has taken their anxiety away.I have been prone to anxiety attacks so now im worried.Ten days of test cyp in my body scares me a little.

Looking at this 23 g needle is freaking me out...if i went the sc route of injecting with a smaller gauge is there a big difference compared to the im way in terms of effectiveness?


I haven't had any issues with any steroids effecting my anxiety. I've got PTSD so I have a lot of anxiety in general and I haven't noticed any changes, even on harsher things than Test. However, I can see how one could get anxious when thinking about using steroids, wondering if they are doing damage to their bodies, worrying about infections etc but I haven't felt any changes caused by the hormones themselves.

23g is a good gauge to use. I use 23, 24 or 25g, never had issues with 25g before except pushing a tiny bit harder on the plunger. I've even used insulin needles to inject Test E and C before with no issues except pushing bloody hard lol. Just make sure the needle is long enough, 23-25g should be fine and then around an inch long.


Thanks bro that helps a lot.With the 25g needle what syringe do you use?where do you inject with it?

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29 Dec 2015 17:33 #194430 by Hormonas
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saflyfish wrote: Thanks bro that helps a lot.With the 25g needle what syringe do you use?where do you inject with it?


I just buy the 3 or 5ml syringes from dischem (as well as my needles).

It depends on the length of the needle to be honest, I'm below 8% bf so I use a 1-1.25inch needle on my quads, glutes, ventroglutes, lats and even hamstrings and I use a 5/8in (I think) on my traps, bis, tris, chest and delts.

I was always terrified of needles bro, you will never completely get over it but it does get easier. I legitimately used to pass out when I got injections and felt faint when I saw needles. Eventually you'll just realize they are as thick as a thorn that you step on and that doesn't hurt too much, especially once it's broken the skin. Just line up the pin, push it in however fast you want to while thinking about butterflies and rainbows and then you can look down and do the rest. It will get easier, I promise!
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29 Dec 2015 17:40 #194431 by saflyfish
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I went to dischem and they only had a short 25g needle,think maybe 5/8in.I need to look for a longer 25g i suspect.
Do you draw with a 20,21? and then pin with the 25?

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29 Dec 2015 17:52 #194432 by Hormonas
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saflyfish wrote: I went to dischem and they only had a short 25g needle,think maybe 5/8in.I need to look for a longer 25g i suspect.
Do you draw with a 20,21? and then pin with the 25?


For quads and glutes I would recommend getting the longer ones, yea. If you plan to inject delts then the 5/8in will be fine for that. The difference between 23 and 25g isn't massive so I personally think you're over thinking it a bit and as a beginner to steroids or injecting, I can understand that. It will only hurt the tiiiniest bit more and would reduce the time you have a needle inside of you because injecting will be faster (aim for 20sec per ml at the fastest IMO).

Yea, I draw with 18-21g and then pin with 23-31g. As do many here!
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29 Dec 2015 22:34 #194436 by PsyCLown
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I draw and inject with 23G needles (draw with one needle, replace, inject with the new needle). I recently started my first cycle to the whole pinning thing is still quite new to me but it really is nowhere near as bad as I thought it would be.

It is far more painful when they draw blood from your arm than it is to inject some test into your ass with a 23g needle. When I have my blood taken I often get light headed, hearing goes a bit weird, I start to get hot and sweat and need to lay down for a minute or two.
With pinning, none of that. The 1st time I was shaking I was soo scared. There after my heart just races a bit and the last time I was fairly relaxed - ironically it was the most painful pin I had, but it was very manageable. It hurts more when someone pinches you - honestly.

My friend and I jab the needle in very quickly, you just feel the skin breaking and that is it. Once it is in, you feel nothing - just the pressure of the needle against your ass.

Just get 23g needles, it will be easier to inject the oil into your ass and will make the injection time shorter and easier as you will not have to press as hard to get the plunger to move - so less movement of the needle while it is in your ass and therefore less pain. ;)

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30 Dec 2015 00:52 #194438 by Hormonas
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Great response PsyClown, +1 when I get back to my computer - glad that you're able to give advice from personal experience these days! :)
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