Help Mucsleaddict! PLEASE!

Ok so I read your article on PCT and to be honest I understand only half of it as Im not so clued up with all the terms and theory.

I can see you know what your talking about and I have went thought the forum searching for answers but Im stuck!

I would love some help here on what I should do now.
I want to go off roids even if it means i have to stay on a little while longer.
I feel sluggish, little depro and would want to avoid any gyno type sides.

I thought by taking low doses this would prevent gyno type sides and it did but looks like the gains aint that great as some of the other guys said( which doesnt make it worth it) and the mental impact is shitty cause this sluggish and depro state aint cool man, iv also been experiencing anxiety so just want to get it done. I'll rather train natty from now on.

So this is what I did and would like some help on fixing this.

Cycle 1:
Test enath 250mg per week for 8 weeks
Anavar 60mg per day
Proviron 50mg per day
1mg Aremidex EOD from week 4-6 (to avoid gyno, nipples felt abit itchy)
0,5mg letro from week 7-9 (was told it works better for gyno sides)

PCT 1:
Waited 2 weeks after last shot of test enath then started:
Clomid 100mg per day for 7days then started
aremidex 1mg per day for 7days
Anavar 30mg per day for 17days(finished it)
Letro 0,5mg first day after clomid just to kick the PCT(dont ask why)
Pregnyl 500ui every 2nd day
Proviron 50mg per day

Cycle 2:
So on sunday I felt that Im sick of feeling shit and decided to clime back on cycle and I toke
Test enath 250mg
Mastron 200mg
still on the proviron 50mg per day
And still on the pregnyl from PCT1

But still I feel shit, what do I do???
Should I rather climb of cycle or stay on and just make some changes?

PLEASE HELP!

Bud, honestly I think you are messing around. Whenever you get of any cycle and go into pct, you will feel halve shit and sluggish every time. You cant just go and jump back on test every time you feel shit, you will never have time to recover.

Personally, I would have finished a proper pct and get all my hormones back on track and then start planning a proper cycle. Your cycle could have been much better. You got all the side affects, but not all the gain you could have gotten.

You are now just delaying the inevitable.

never mind jumping back on cycle. if i am reading correctly it seemed like he never ever stopped taking any AAS even during his PCT.

were you running anavar and proviron with your PCT?

Ja nee...I thought the gains were awesome and we all need to try super low dose cycles?

Stop taking everything other than the adex for 27 days and then follow PCT1.

I sincerely apologize Eidolon.

The gains was good in the perspective of light gains if I can put it that way, but yes it was not amazing.

And yes I knew my post was gonna get me criticized but we all make mistakes. This is why I joined to gain some good advice from you guys that know a bit more than the occasional dealer.

Just out of curiosity, would it be a option to finish what i have?
So I don't dip that much in this coming December as one does not want to feel like shit when family and all comes around.

Maybe up the test enath like you guys said and stay on till after december?

Test enath 500 per week
Mastron 200mg per week
And test prop at the end of it all just to get that waiting peroid over.

Just asking?

Punisher, nou fok jy rond. Luister na Eidolon se advies.

+1 Eidolon

Ok then its settled.

Aremidex for 27days.
Then PCT 1 as indicated on this forum.

What about the shots of test and mast I toke?
Or don't I need to worry about that?

thats what the 27 days of adex is for

Ooooooo o.k
Just to keep the estrogen suppressed till I PCT?

spot on. keeping estro down while the test rides out. then PCT commences

Ok perfect.
Thanks guys, I'll get on it asap.

But don't think cycling will see me in the future.
Its just to much technical shit haha one thinks you understand it, but the truth at the end of the day is that you only understand half of it or a very little. I think there is a great majority of us out there that is in the same boat and only a hand full that really knows how things work.

That's why I'm happy I found this forum.
Big thumbs up from me to you guys and the forum.

Hope you follow the instruction given by heart.

Dont say you wont be cycling in the future, because you will. Its also not to technical, you just didnt follow the instructions given, but on the positive side, Life XP gained.

Oupa wrote: Hope you follow the instruction given by heart.

Dont say you wont be cycling in the future, because you will. Its also not to technical, you just didnt follow the instructions given, but on the positive side, Life XP gained.

agree with this. sample cycles, pct and articles are all someone has to read PROPERLY and they should be able to get away with a successful cycle.

i think the problem comes when people forget the basics and try to complicate things because of what they see other more experienced users do.

I will definitely follow instructions given.

Lol
Ja I have had my fair share of being negligent and definitely gained life XP out of that.

So ja that's at least one positive out of the whole situation.

That is actually true Hoosain
I agree 100%, I have made that mistake aswell and one keeps one forgetting the fact that(and this is only an example) if your not a pro bodybuilder you cant take what a pro bodybuilder takes. There is a reason for everything they do and fooling around with these things aint the best idea.

So just to be clear, aremidex 1mg per day for 27days?
And is there any advice on the sluggish feeling on clomid when I get there?
And would I be able to use something like Biral which is a herbal tranquilizer on the aremidex and PCT? Or is this just gonna interfere?

I missed all the excitement! But you've been given good advice. 1mg Adex is a bit much. I'd go with half of that or you'll just feel a different flavour of kak.

Lol well now your here!

Ok well what do I do if i only have 1mg capsules?
Im using EU Pharmas Aremidex and they only have 1mg capsules.

Take one cap EOD.

Ok so EOD it is.

And is there any advice on the sluggish feeling on clomid when I get there?
And would I be able to use something like Biral which is a herbal tranquilizer on the aremidex and PCT? Or is this just gonna interfere?

We've advised for a while now to rather take 50mg Clomid for 2 weeks than 100mg for a week because of the side effects. It is more effective as well.

So all in all the clomid part of the PCT 1 will lst 2 weeks instead of 1 week? And then after this start nolvadex at 20mg per day for 30days as indicated in PCT 1

If I were you
Clomid, 14 days 50mg ED
Nolva, 30 days 20mg ED side by side with an E2 killer aromasin 30 days at 20mg ED

Take some time off

heh, i am not expert, but both cycle 1 and cycle 2 is pretty useless. If you made good gains its probably mostly from the oral anavar. I dont think you can make decent gains on anything less than 600mg Test Per Week. Anyone that disagrees try show me the sciencetific reason for your reasoning... Anyways bad idea taking orals for almost the whole cycle.. even anavar... I know 4 pretty ladies whcih 2 are pros and both ended up with serious issues abusing anavar for a prolonged period of time... Oral should only be there to kick start your cycle, unless you can monitor your blood work throughout the cycle constantly.

vision wrote: heh, i am not expert, but both cycle 1 and cycle 2 is pretty useless. If you made good gains its probably mostly from the oral anavar. I dont think you can make decent gains on anything less than 600mg Test Per Week. Anyone that disagrees try show me the sciencetific reason for your reasoning...

You are completely wrong and I disagree with your statements above. Show us your "scientific" evidence to backup your claims instead.

vision wrote: Anyone that disagrees try show me the sciencetific reason for your reasoning...

hmm

Most men produce 4 to 7 milligrams of testosterone a day, with the highest blood level in the morning and the lowest level in the evening (which helps explain why the first thing some men want in the morning is neither coffee nor a shower).

So adding synthetic test will increase your test levels - wow so amaze! Who could have guessed.
Even on TRT, doses of 250mg are considered very high and that's for peeps who already have low T. So 'less than 600mg/week = no gains' nope I don't think so man, many many people gain 15-20 lbs on their first cycle of 500mg test only and I'm hella sure they would have made gains on 350mg/week as well, just maybe not as much.

You're increasing your test levels by a lot when you add 500mgs.

"The administration of the GnRH agonist plus graded doses of testosterone resulted in mean nadir testosterone concentrations of 253, 306, 542, 1,345, and 2,370 ng/dl at the 25-, 50-, 125-, 300-, and 600-mg doses, respectively."

But seriously though, test has been around since the 1930's, so there is an abundance of info out regarding it.

ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172.full
www.sharecare.com/health/endocrine-syste...osterone-men-produce
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone#Regulation
press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jc.2006-1375