Fisrt SARMs Cycle Stack

Hi guys

Its been over 4 years that Ive been on this awesome page and I can realy do with some advice.

During my time I've been away I've got married, had children and...life happened.

Over the past 4 years I've stopped exercising, my diet slowly spiraled out of control and I really felt ashamed of myself when ever I looked in the mirror.

My weight increased from 88kgs to 108kgs.
Bodyfat from about 9% to I dont even want to guess.


BUT, 5 months ago I changed things around.

My diet is as clean as you can get.

I've stopped drinking.


I've started working out again.


Ive managed to loose 14kgs naturally but ideally want to loose another 10kgs.

Here's my dilemma: I'm loosing about the same amount of muscle as I do in fat.

No tests involved. Just my asumption from looking in the mirror.



I would really like to loose the last 10kgs of fat without loosing so much muscle in the process.





I've previously done two AAS cycles when I use to be in shape (over 4 years ago).
1 x test only cycle 12 weeks
2nd cycle was Test, turinabol and anavar cycle.



Ive noticed that things have changed alot on these forums during my absence.
All of a sudden SARMs are now also an option and appears to be a 'safer' option if AAS is a bit to over the top for the goals in mind.



So for my current goal, I'm seriously considering a SARMs Stack.
As mentioned, I want to loose another 10 kgs over 3 months without loosing more muscle




This is what I've got in mind.

1. WK1-12: RAD 140 @ 10mg per day
2. Wk1-12: OSTERINE @ 15/30mg per day.
3. WK1-12: GW @ 20mg per day.






Question 1.

Any input, critism, advice about this stack?



Question 2:


Can Osterine be run for 12 weeks in this cycle? Most cycles indicate 8 weeks?


Question 3: Should I settle with 15 mg or rather 30mg of Osterine per day?



Question 4: What PCT to go with and how long after last SARMs dosing should I start this?









Thanks for your time.

Kudos for getting back into the game bro!

@jvr, welcome back...

Stack looks fine. After 4-6 weeks you can upperbody the Rad to 20mg split am/pm. Ostarine I will stick to 15mg as I do experience some water retention on it, but that also helps with its healing properties.

PCT you can start 48hrs after last Rad/Ostarine dose. PCT1 is fine. GW you can continue right through PCT to help with cardio and keep intensity up.

Goodluck

Perfect!!!


Thanks for the feedback.

Hey JVR,

Good job on turning things around bro. I have been doing a hell of a lot of research on SARMS as I find them extremely fascinating. I have also run 2 SARM cycles and Am currently busy with my 3rd.

I have done a few 'bigger' AAS cycles as well. I have to be honest I am extremely happy with the results that I have seen with SARMS, The results are obviously not as drastic as they would be with steroids but because I am not a bodybuilder I am okay with that. The fact that the side effects have currently been next to nothing, besides some water retention, I will be doing SARM cycles for the foreseeable future.

I would personally run it like this though based on my research and current experience.

1. WK1-16: RAD 140 @ 20mg per day (upon waking)
2. Wk1-12: OSTARINE @ 15mg per day (upon waking)
3. WK1-16: GW @ 20mg per day (30mins before training on training days or upon waking on non training days)

As Optron said, PCT 1

Day 1-7: - Clomid is used as 50 mg twice daily for full 7 days.
Day 8-37: - Nolva at 20mg per day for full 30 days.
You can and probably Should run GW through your PCT too then take a bit of a break. Just my opinion

Just FYI I loved the results I got from my Osta and RAD cycle. I get a lot of water from MK677 as well as want to eat the world and sleep all day so I have dropped that.

I am currently trying the following:

1. WK1-16: RAD 140 @ 20mg per day (upon waking)
2. Wk1-12: LGD @ 10mg per day (upon waking)
3. WK1-16: GW @ 20mg per day (30mins before training on training days or upon waking on non training days)
4. Wk13-16: OSTA @ 30mg per day (upon waking)

Followed by PCT 1

I am 2 weeks in so will provide some feedback when I'm done.

Thanks NJ! You got no idea how much I appreciate any form of advice from you guys.



O.k that looks great.
So I can actually stretch this out to 16 weeks to drop as much body fat as possible???

Just two questions:


1)

I see you recommended pushing up the RAD140 to 20mg per day?
This will still be fine for cutting hey? This won't be overkill?



2)

What would be the benefit of running Ostarine from WK 1-12 as opposed to WK 5-16.
Is it better to run it at the start and then drop it towards the end?
Or is it better to only introduce it after a couple of weeks but then run it straight through untill last day?




Thanks once again.

jvr wrote: Thanks NJ! You got no idea how much I appreciate any form of advice from you guys.



O.k that looks great.
So I can actually stretch this out to 16 weeks to drop as much body fat as possible???

Just two questions:


1)

I see you recommended pushing up the RAD140 to 20mg per day?
This will still be fine for cutting hey? This won't be overkill?



2)

What would be the benefit of running Ostarine from WK 1-12 as opposed to WK 5-16.
Is it better to run it at the start and then drop it towards the end?
Or is it better to only introduce it after a couple of weeks but then run it straight through untill last day?




Thanks once again.

To answer your questions

1) According to what I've read the ideal dose is actually 30mg per day but I haven't tried it at that dose yet. To be honest on my first RAD cycle I only used 10mg a day and was very happy with the results so perhaps since you are stacking it with Ostarine rather stick to 10mg for the first few weeks and then perhaps you can "consider" upping to 20mg but it may be a good idea to stick to 10mg for your first time to see how you respond.

2) Ostarine should be run for a max of 12 weeks (same as LGD) so in your case it would be best to run it from week 1-12. I am experimenting a bit by adding it in for the last 4 weeks of my cycle when I drop the LGD. Not even sure that it will be entirely worth it but I want some of the healing properties Osta has to offer. I have never tried LGD before so that is why I have included it in this cycle. If LGD hadn't become available I would have done the exact stack that I suggested above but I like to try new things.

I am sure you will be very happy with your Osta, Rad and GW stack. Stretch the Rad and GW to 16 weeks and drop the Osta at 12. Make sure you do the PCT1 and I'm pretty certain you will be happy.

Keep us posted

O.K so just an update as well as a couple of questions about my SARMS only cycle.

I’ve just finished week 4 of running RAD140 at 20mgs per day.
Will add Ostarine as from tomorrow.
Then run the RAD, OSTA & GW for a further 12 weeks.
(16 weeks in total

I am really impressed with the strength gains.
Yes, not close to the strength and pumps experience on a full on AAS cycle.
But For something this “mild” I must say It’s definitely worth it.



So my only concern at this stage is the massive lethargy and tiredness experienced for the past 10 days.
It’s literally an ongoing battle to keep myself motivated and commited during work hours.

The moment my alarm goes off in the morning, I’m already making plans to rush through my day just to get back in bed for a nap.
My day starts at 4am and as I’m working for myself I have that small luxary of taking afternoon naps.

I’m also having very vivid and clear dreams all the time.
I wake up every 2 hours and remember every single detail of what I’ve just dreamt.

Can anyone tell me if they’ve experienced similar “sides”???

Will this pass or should I prepare myself for 12 weeks of being a lazy ass who wants to sleep all day long???

I've had no experience with Sarms myself but i have come across other user with similar side effects including headaches.

This is just my opinion and maybe same more experienced members could add or discredit this info

The suppression of your natural test has caused and increase in estrogen which could be the cause of the tiredness - this can be offset through the use of a AI Amrimidex start at the lower end them adjust dosage accordingly.

Also i would bring down the dosage in my opinion its to high 10mg.

I agree with Endomorphism that your Dosage of RAD is too high I felt fine on RAD I have run it twice once as a Bridge it was 8weeks on 5mg I kept everything I gained On that AAS Cycle only lost some water weight but that was to be expected lost no strength. The second time I used the new stronger 10mg LP RAD for 10mg this time I was on a Cut only consumed 1800 Calories a day for 8weeks and I must say I was damn impressed with the Rad I noticed nutrition partitioning benefits I dropped from 117kg to 104kg waist tightened up nicely I got more vascular in my arms and hands. Shoulders and chest actually fuller and rounder and nicely striated. My strength also stayed up more than I expected only slightly weaker on my main compound lifts so I just do my reps way slower and spend time under tension.

Never felt lethargic. So I can only put it down to your higher dose suppressing you more. But I do not know if adding an AI like Endomorph suggested is going to work or be beneficial...

Does sound like you're shut down. How's your libido?

Right...I’ve given it another two weeks as I was hoping that “being shut down” was the incorrect “diagnosos”.

But nothings changed. In fact, I think I’m feeling even worse at the moment. I’ve got even less energy than 2 weeks ago.
I even started getting realy depressed over the past two weeks.


So What do I do now?

1) Get some bloodwork done I presume. Do I just walk in to a pathcare and get it done or should I go to a doctor?
What tests do the need to run?

2) Firstly I will drop the RAD 140 from 30mg to 20 mg and then after another week to 10mgs. Is this the correct procedure.
I really don’t want to stop anything at the halfway mark.
But then also, I cannot face another 8 weeks of feeling this shit. I will loose my mind!!!


3) Will I stay shut down until I eventually do a PCT or can I do something during the next 8 weeks to get my test production going again?






Thanks for all the advice so far guys...

Why not run Proviron take 40 or 50 mg spilt in two doses 12hours apart and see if you feel better if 60-75mg of Proviron doesn't make you feel better I doubt anything will

On second thoughts rather get bloods done and confirm if it is in fact Suppression causing your lethargy and depression.

O.k will get my bloods done first.

Do I need to get this done by a doctor or can I go straight to a pathcare branch?

What are all the tests I should ask them to run?

Off my head

Free and Total Testosterone
LH
FSH
Estradiol/ E2
Progesterone
Ptolactin

Doing it through a doctor is much easier.

Walking into Lancet is no issue. Pathcare are full of stories.

jvr wrote: O.k will get my bloods done first.

Do I need to get this done by a doctor or can I go straight to a pathcare branch?

What are all the tests I should ask them to run?

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/2-anabo...testosterone-toolbox

Any feedback here?


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