Beginner Cycle Help

Good day guys,im looking to run my first cycle.i was looking at some guides and ideas for i good cycle.

Here is what i am looking to run:
-Ciccone Tbol 40Mg's for 4 weeks everyday
-HD Labs Test e for 8 weeks (still deciding between 1 shot(250mg) a week or 2shots(2*250mg) a week
-HCG 500iu's(2*250iu) a week starting from week 3 or 4
-Still deciding between letrozole or arimadex incase gyno comes up

PCT(4weeks):Regarding this i know is usually nolva and clomid.However i want to know if i should continue running HCG while on pct(see a lot of people saying not to do this as its messes natural test production up)

I am currently 87Kg's looking to build some hard muscle (5kg's if possible)thats why im staying away from dbol.If you have any suggestions or tips please let me know as i am still a newbie to this stuff.





(Please if you have any better info/suggestions let me know)

Hey there
You can follow this cycle. Just swope dbol for tbol and follow the pct too.
On A.I you can use arimidex

Hi

Cycle looks fine. I'd run the Hcg from week 4/5 and through your bridge period up to the start of clomid and then go off it, I've tried it in PCT and this way, which was much better for me by far in terms of recovery.

Otherwise looks like a nice basic cycle.

Enjoy

Thanks for the input mfezdro.I want to know if i should take 30 or 40mg`s a day of Tbol.Also should i take it everyday even on non training days?How long should i wait before starting PCT after the 8 weeks of test e?3 to 4 weeks?

Hi

I'd take 40mg Tbol and take it everyday. The suggested waiting period is 30 days. I usually wait 4 weeks. That's why you need something supporting your system like Hcg.

Good luck.

Hi everyone
Im looking at also doing my first cycle . Im looking at running Deca Long 300mg (Ciccone), sust 250mg (Ciccone), taking 1 ml of each a week for 10 weeks .For PCT Nolvadex 20mg/tb (Ciccone), Clomid 50mg/tb (Ciccone) and then HCG 5000i.u (HD LABS).Start PCT 54 days after last injection , looking at taking 2x50mg tablets for the first 7 days then from day 8 take 500i.u of HCG and one 20mg nolvadex each day for 30 days and then take 500i.u HCG every second day

If you have any suggestions on what i should change it would be much appreciated and then if you could also recommend what i should do for my second cycle if i must up the dose or change what i use

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Jono44 what's your thoughts on proviron?

Hendrik whats your age and BF% at the moment ?
and Proviron is a relatively safe drug, can be added to most cycles, even beginner stacks
so it's generally worth adding if you have the extra cash.

otherwise you can save that cash and run Var during your bridge to assist with that hard vascular look.

Jis Oom G not sure one the bodyfat % but im 21.Can start seeing the bridge between chest and shoulders,and abs starting to show a little.

I have decided to do my cycle like this:
Tbol @40mg first 4 weeks e/d
TestE @500-650mg (2ml or 2.5ml shot a week) 8 weeks
Proviron @50mg last 4 weeks e/d

PCT? This is where i have some questions,a friend thats competing said when doing my pct i should wait 3-5 weeks after last injection and hit the Clomid hard the first 3-7 days of pct.However i have my doubts.I would really appreciate it if you or anyone else could guide me on the pct.I currently have clomid,nolvadex and 5000iu's of HCG.I also see alot of people saying not to do HCG on pct.

Diet is alot of whole meals and this is how the cals/protein for everyday looks like: Protein @ 260g,Cals @3200(might increase or decrease but I hate green beans).

I also see a lot of people saying not to do HCG on pct?

look at the PCT protocol 2 on the site, widely regarded as one of the more researched and efficient PCT's advised by doctari. just follow that and you'll be good as new.

Some say pct2 and some say pct3.I'd just like some help or input of poeple.

Jis Oom G not sure one the bodyfat % but im 21.Can start seeing the bridge between chest and shoulders,and abs starting to show a little.

I have decided to do my cycle like this:
Tbol @40mg first 4 weeks e/d
TestE @500-650mg (2ml or 2.5ml shot a week) 8 weeks
Proviron @50mg last 4 weeks e/d

PCT? This is where i have some questions,a friend thats competing said when doing my pct i should wait 3-5 weeks after last injection and hit the Clomid hard the first 3-7 days of pct.However i have my doubts.I would really appreciate it if you or anyone else could guide me on the pct.I currently have clomid,nolvadex and 5000iu's of HCG.I also see alot of people saying not to do HCG on pct.

Diet is alot of whole meals and this is how the cals/protein for everyday looks like: Protein @ 260g,Cals @3200(might increase or decrease but I hate green beans).Also looking to add in some casein whey to my dieet for recovery.

Sorry for the double post.

the advice regarding hcg is to run it during your cycle. so run hcg from about week 4 and then start clomid 30 days after your last test e shot. you can run clomid at 50mg for 14 days and then 30 days of nolva

as for proviron, my opinion is to use it throughout the cycle as it will make your test work better. for bridge i personally would choose anavar for that look Oom G is referring to.

So my big question is then is it fine if i run proviron and hcg from week 5-8?

You should have a look at the sample cycles page and PCT page for help on structure, all the answers are there.

Test E needs 30 days to clear your system. During that 30 days you need something to help your natural test production get started again. Put simply, Hcg mimics leutenizing hormone which basically manages the production of testosterone in your system. Hcg is taken during cycle so that your system keeps producing testosterone naturally and does so while you are not taking any exogenous testosterone as opposed to having complete shutdown then trying to restart it afterwards.

Again, assuming you finish your Test E at end of week 8.
Run Hcg and proviron for weeks 5-12, Hcg at 250iu twice or three times a week should be fine.
Week 13 Clomid 100mg for 7 days
Week 14 onwards, Nolva 20mg for 30 days.

It's that simple.

HendrikEW wrote: So my big question is then is it fine if i run proviron and hcg from week 5-8?

Like Mfezdro said, use hcg beyond week 8 until the week you start your pct (which would be 30 days after your last test e shot).
You can do the same with proviron. If you want you can use proviron from week 1 until the 29th day after your last test e shot.

Bridge would be the 30 days after your last test e shot. It's not a must to use something, but 99% of people use either a shorter ester like prop or an oral to take advantage of the period while the test e is clearing your system.

My advice is to read through the below articles. When you done reading see how confident you are with the cycle. If there are anymore questions come back here and ask away.

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles

HendrikEW wrote: So my big question is then is it fine if i run proviron and hcg from week 5-8?

You can run proviron throughout your cycle. HCG after the Tbol stopped, week 5 or 6.

Oupa wrote:

HendrikEW wrote: So my big question is then is it fine if i run proviron and hcg from week 5-8?

You can run proviron throughout your cycle. HCG after the Tbol stopped, week 5 or 6.

Is it normal for the first injection to make my glute feel weird?Is 25mg`s of proviron ED fine?