Blood test result thinking of a first cycle

Hi Guys

First post. Been following the forum for a while.

Been training on and of since 2009, mostly endurance type sports with a fair amount of weight training.
The last year and six months I have been on a heavy weight training program.

My Stats:
Age 28
Height 1.80
BF% 13%
Weight 84.5kg
Deadlift 175kg Squat 155kg Bench 110kg

I eat 2500cal a day, if I eat more I pic up fat more than muscle.
I dont eat rubbish carbs, I eat high protien, medium fat and carbs.

My test results are as follows:
Total test 20.48 Range 8.33-30.2
Free test 11.08 nmol/L Range 7.2-18.7
Estradiol 94 pmol/L Range 40.37-161.48
SHBG 29.3 nmol/L Range 16.2-68.5
Cortisol 387 nmol/L Range 101-536

Rest of by blood are all really healthy.

I have never touched any thing more than my daily omega 3's and creatine.

I am just not making gains and losing weight like I use to, my skin is oily for the first time in my life as well, not sure if it's hormones? I'm not a big guy, but have a fairly athletic build at this stage.

Was thinking of a Test cyp + Anavar or Tbol cycle with PCT 1.

My reason is I just want to get bigger and leaner.

Any advice would be appreciated.

FYI, I followed a vegan diet for 2 weeks just for kicks in DEC last year, on the last day i did a blood test, My total test was 16.51 and free test was 8.69. Quit a difference in six weeks to where I did the second blood test which you see now? Could it be the meat?

Just want an opinion on my blood work, would have liked to see my test higher at my age.

Peace

My neighbour is a vegan. The other I told him when I see bacon my mouth salivates and I go crazy happy. So I asked if he gets the same feeling when I mow the lawn.

Bloods are perfectly healthy. Go ahead with your cycle you look like you have the basics in place. Lemme know what you want for a cycle.

Pyroclasm wrote: My neighbour is a vegan. The other I told him when I see bacon my mouth salivates and I go crazy happy. So I asked if he gets the same feeling when I mow the lawn.

Bloods are perfectly healthy. Go ahead with your cycle you look like you have the basics in place. Lemme know what you want for a cycle.

Hahahahahahaha. Thanx.

So I have to thoughts on a cycle.

Either the well established 500mgs of test cyp per week split into 2 pins
With the added oral anabolic of choice.

or

Been watching some vids of enhanced athlete, they seem to be leaning towards a smaller dose of test, more in the trt range and then an anabolic or 2.
They believe testosterone has more sides when cranking it to 500mg or higher, compared to running trt dose and an anabolic?

This Tony guy goes as far as using testosterone cream rather than pinning because it apparently keeps blood levels more steady?

So I am toying with these thoughts

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You could try a course of Aromasin to lower that estradiol which may boost your natural test. These could help you avoid cycling which may be better at your age. In the interim you could add in more good fats (omega 3's) and high dose vitamin D. This could assist with your own production. Definitely stay away from a vegan diet. We weren’t built to eat rabbit food. While it is possible to stay healthy on such a diet it requires some serious thought maneuvering to ensure you get your complete micronutrient needs. Most vegans don’t and end up having bone density issues, hormonal issues etc. if you dead set on cycling I defiantly agree with start with as little as possible and asses your results. 250mg per week of test (Cyp or E) or I prefer small jabs everyday with shorter esters using insulin pins. I have had my best gains on less gear but a mix. You could also go with say 250mg if test plus a SARM like RAD140. With the low dose test and the SARM you shouldn’t have estrodial problems. Less is more.

Thanx Morrgear, will try the vitman D and good fats first.
When you say a course of Aromasin, could you maybe give me some guidelines? Dosage and duration?
When I stop the course will my estradiol climb again or not really?

Impressive first post.

Cycle is a good one. I personally experimented with low dose test at first and then slowly upped my way to 500mg.

With my increased knowledge since my first cycle i'm of the opinion that it depends on how much you really want to grow.
On your first cycle you will probably have great results even on a low dose of around 300mg, however if i really wanted alot of size i would probably lean more towards the 500mg per week as per the norm. I'd also keep letro or another AI on hand in case of estro sides.

Good luck buddy.

@Pyro LOL... the lawnmower shit is hilarious.

Hey bud, I would try 12.5mg every second day to start. Run for two weeks and get bloods done to see if its having the desired eeffect (don’t come off but assess progress). The idea is, through the dietary changes, to boost your natural production and then slowly come off the Aromasin and see if the results stick. Aromasin is what’s termed a suicidal AI since it destroys the Aromatase enzymes in your blood rather than binding to them (like Anastrozole and Letro do). When you stop Aromasin you wont have rebound like you would with the other AI’s (which simply release the Aromatase). However if the underlying reason for low test isn’t resolved (which may not be resolvable as it’s simply how you are made and/ or a function of how you have changed with age) your levels will return to where they were. In summary you need to experiment with dose, test your blood etc. There is a great podcast by Muscle Expert with the guest speaker being Dr Serrano who talks about this subject - he is extremely knowledgeable and conservative in his views. It’s worth a listen.

Thanks Morrgear, sound like solid advice.
Really appreciate it.

Gonna see a Urologist about my bloods as well in Feb.
Gonna give the Aromasin a try though.

I think combining that with the vitamin D and good fats should make a difference.

In your opinion, if my test never really rises significantly and having the goals in mind of getting bigger, do you think TRT would be justified?

Another question i've had for a while. If you are on TRT for life because of diagnosed low test and you decide to try anabolics, do you just cycle the anabolic for it's duration, get off and have no real issues? Because you have the TRT running in the background and it's there to fall back on after the anabolic cycle?

Good post, well done on checking your blood work first.

Your results are ok. Yes, your test should be in the higher quarter, your SHBG is higher than ideal as is your cortisol. Estrogen is fine. Overall it's ok, you'll struggle to find a doctor to give you TRT, unless you get a progressive guy who treats symptoms and not blood results.

I would be very careful trying to lower your E. I don't feel reducing estrogen though an AI increases your natural test in anyway and if you lower it too much you're going to have problems. If you're not having E sides, leave it alone. I'm on TRT and don't take an AI. Keep it on hand for any possible estrogen related sides but don't take it from the start.

Cycle is fine, you can run 500 although I personally don't run more than 300 but that's me. A nice solid cycle would be 250-300 (some would argue 500)mg test/week, injected twice finished off with anavar for 6 weeks at the end and through your bridge. Add proviron in to reduce the impact of SHBG tying up your test. HCG too if fertility is something that you are concerned about. There's lots of sample cycles out there but drop me a line if you're looking for an actual cycle structure.

I'm on TRT and have been for a few years. When I cycle, I up my dose and add in whatever I'm on, when I come off I just revert back to my TRT dose, it's not a big difference though, I go from 180 or 200mg/week to my cycle dose, around 250-300mg/week and back again. No PCT, I only watch Estrogen. I'm 45 though and have kids already. If fertility is an issue it's a bit more tricky and you need to bring HCG into the mix.

Good luck.

Solid advice. Similar to what I do except I aromatize hectically even on TRT dosing. I need 20mg ed of Aromasin to stay within range. I can feel when it’s high not from gyno symptoms but low libido and lethargy.

Thanks. Yep, classic warning signs there. I also struggle with it which is why I try stay at 300mg max on cycle. I've found that sub q injections, not more than 0.5ml, twice a week even me out a bit. Not sure why that would be, maybe the rate of metabolism of the ester and hormone is more stable through fat, but hey it works for me. If I'm cycling and jabbing IM, and I pick up issues I immediately move to sub q for the test portion and generally get it under control. Obviously if it's major, I start an AI.

One more question kinda of topic.

My dad was diagnosed with extremely low testosterone levels after a head injury, total test of 4.4.
So the doctor did put him on Nebido testosterone undecanoate, at first he was getting shots once every 3 months.
I told my dad the BS, and no way he should pay 2K per shot. So I got him ciccone labs testosterone undecanoate.
He now injects every 4-6 weeks. Getting better results.

My question is, how often should he inject? some say every 2 weeks, some say 4 weeks.

2nd Question is, is ciccone labs testosterone undecanoate product quality any good? Should we rather try HD labs nedidoject?

Some doctors rather use the creams for blood level stability?

For sure you won't see any difference between cream or pins once or twice a week.

Cycle wise definately go for higher test these guys are correct but miss the point completely. I highly recomend doing full on test for first cycle as you learn how your body responds to it. Remember for every cycle going forward you will use test so you need to be 100% wise with how you respond.

Hey guys

Quick update. Went to see the specialist this week.
Was interesting, my thyroid is under active to a big degree, he was surprised I'm not seriously overweight.
So he put me on Euthyrox for the thyroid.
Also my Homocysteine levels are a bit on the high end, so on meds for that. But should be temporary.
When it came to estrogen levels, he advised me it should be know higher then 60 pmol/L.

He also advised me on Vitamin D 5000iu ed, and Omega 3 ed.

He did give me testosterone cream, 100mg/g. THe cream is mixed with a small dose of Arimidex as well.
At first he wanted to put me on 50mg, when he heard about my goals he went for the 100mg.

So he advised me to come back in May to see where I am at and the test my LH as well.
He told me if everything is stable he will assist me with gear. He is very open minded, basically recommended it when he heard my goals, LOL.

This doc will even hook me up with a coach/supplier. Was interesting when we started talking about PCT, I used a couple of examples from the site, he agreed with them fully. Even agreed with the cycles.

So I am happy for know, hoping to sort out a couple of things, then on to gear end of MAY.

It makes me joyful to hear there are excellent new school docs out there.

Hey guys, been awhile.

Since my last post I have been on TRT cream and feeling good. Leaner ,bit more muscle, stronger and no issues.

So I decided and order my first cycle. Keeping it basic,
Test cyp 300mgs a week
10 week duration.
Nolva as a anti E


So my question, at that dosage should I take Nolva everyday or wait to see if sides pop up?

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Kak cycle. I suggest you read everything in the articles section, and then another two months on the forum just learning and asking questions. Learn how to use these drugs properly to get the most out of them with minimal side effects.

We have better drugs than Nolvadex available while on cycle. These are called Aromatase Inhibitors (AI's). The most popular ones are Aromasin, Arimidex and Letrozole.

Pyroclasm wrote: Kak cycle. I suggest you read everything in the articles section, and then another two months on the forum just learning and asking questions. Learn how to use these drugs properly to get the most out of them with minimal side effects.

We have better drugs than Nolvadex available while on cycle. These are called Aromatase Inhibitors (AI's). The most popular ones are Aromasin, Arimidex and Letrozole.

so there is no place for nolva while on cycle- noted thanx, see some use it as part of pct? would that be a better application for it?

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Kella wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Kak cycle. I suggest you read everything in the articles section, and then another two months on the forum just learning and asking questions. Learn how to use these drugs properly to get the most out of them with minimal side effects.

We have better drugs than Nolvadex available while on cycle. These are called Aromatase Inhibitors (AI's). The most popular ones are Aromasin, Arimidex and Letrozole.

so there is no place for nolva while on cycle- noted thanx, see some use it as part of pct? would that be a better application for it?

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If you read the article section you will see how it is best used during PCT.