Tbol - Axio vs HD Labs

Hi Gents

Trust you are all doing well, and getting those gains!!

Quick question - i have used Axio Tbol in my previous 3 cycles @ 40mg per day for 4 weeks as a kick-start before the Test E kicks in. Great results, with almost no sides, except a bit of headaches in the 1st week, but the hawthorn berry sorted this out quickly (Thx PUMP for that)

Now - this is my 3rd week in my cycle, and I had to switch to HD Labs Tbol, as this is all I could find. OH MY GOODNESS!! i took 10mg and immediately my blood pressure went through the roof, started shaking and my glucose levels pushed up from 5.2 to 8.7 as well! I'm dizzy and confused as well, and struggled to sleep.. Thank God I only took 10mg to test it. I only took 10mg the last 4 days to see if this clears, but no, it doesnt. So today I decided not o take this anymore..


Has anyone experienced this on HD Tbol - and is this suppose to do this? Maybe the dose concentration is more potent than Axio, or.... maybe its not Tbol..?

Any comments would be highly appreciated!

Hey.

Off topic. How did you use the hawtorn berry for your headaches. It caught my attention as i suffer with headaches. And i hate poping pain meds at times they brute 24hr and some even carry on the next day, that kind of headaches.

And not gear related.

Hi Sam

You can get the drops at Dischem im the herbal medicine section. Like R85 if i remember correctly. Take 10 drops 1st thing in the morning, around lunch, and after gym. Works brilliantly for me. I only use this when im on cycle thought, as the orals tend to give me headaches. Im sure it will work for u as well.

Good luck bro and let me know if it works

Spazzz wrote: Hi Sam

You can get the drops at Dischem im the herbal medicine section. Like R85 if i remember correctly. Take 10 drops 1st thing in the morning, around lunch, and after gym. Works brilliantly for me. I only use this when im on cycle thought, as the orals tend to give me headaches. Im sure it will work for u as well.

Good luck bro and let me know if it works

Thanks for the help. I will have to check if i can get it here in my country

Spazzz the exact same thing happens with me. I take 1 tab of Tbol and the headache gets so bad I want to punch myself to sleep. Its sad because its one of those compounds that gives no water retention , hair loss etc.

I've tried tbol from all brands. Same story everytime

Xtreme wrote: Spazzz the exact same thing happens with me. I take 1 tab of Tbol and the headache gets so bad I want to punch myself to sleep. Its sad because its one of those compounds that gives no water retention , hair loss etc.

I've tried tbol from all brands. Same story everytime

Including LP & keifie?

I had this with HD Clen. 40mcg makes me shake to the point that I can’t talk while 80mcg of every other brand is tolerable. My guess is they overdose many of their products.

Morrgear wrote: I had this with HD Clen. 40mcg makes me shake to the point that I can’t talk while 80mcg of every other brand is tolerable. My guess is they overdose many of their products.

Why do they overdose a product is dangerous. Maybe human error in production?

@ Extreme and Samz... Tbol has been giving blood pressure increases from different brands to almost all the guys i know who have been using it.

The headaches are then caused by this increase in blood pressure which is where the hawthorn berry comes into play. it lowers your blood pressure which then gets rid of the headaches.

As for the hows... It is said that hawthorn berry actually ups your BP before lowering it. I have read that guys use it a week or 2 before their cycle starts to get over the initial bump as to avoid the spike when your BP is already increased due to the AAS use. However i'm no expert and due to his experience Pump will give alot more info and tips than i can even dream of

Then to tackle HD and overdosing. I have heard lots of people say that HD is potent, however we must also remember that we cannot judge based on the sides alone.

Agree with you Hoosain! Cant judge by sides only

However, with the axio tbol, i get pumps and vains from the 2nd or 3rd day using it. With the Hd tbol, not as much as with the axio product in my experience. But then again i only used 10mg due to the sides. I want to split a 10mg tab of the hd tbol and try again. As im feeling much netter since not popping one yesterday. Will keep a log on my experience. Should the sides come back, im leaving this one out completely...

I'll be trying this out real soon to give my input.

I always found Axio very good, never had an issue. HD same, solid product, used both brands. I highly doubt you will notice any difference.

Hi Oupa

Do you mean i wont see a difference if I try a lower dose?

Spazzz wrote: Agree with you Hoosain! Cant judge by sides only

However, with the axio tbol, i get pumps and vains from the 2nd or 3rd day using it. With the Hd tbol, not as much as with the axio product in my experience. But then again i only used 10mg due to the sides. I want to split a 10mg tab of the hd tbol and try again. As im feeling much netter since not popping one yesterday. Will keep a log on my experience. Should the sides come back, im leaving this one out completely...

Hopefully the sides are not that bad this time around and you can smack this cycle according to plan.

I guess it’s possible it was just this batch but I agree that you simply don’t take chances with stuff like this.