Advice please

Howzit all.

Long story short - Been training for the last 3 years. Injured my back (slipped disc) and subsequently haven't been back to the gym. Ready to get back into it (13kgs lighter).

Since all my gainz are moertoe, I intend to stack:

1. A Test prop & Tren Combo;
2. D/bolz
3. Decca.

Questions are:

1. How long after I resume my training should I get on the gear above? Immediately or wait a couple of weeks?
2. How long should I cycle each of the above? All of it in for 12 weeks?

Thanks in advance.

Hey

If you getting back into the guy. I would start off again train for more then 2-3months then jump on a cycle. Theres no rush.
On cycle. Drop the tren or deva go with either or.
Dbol, TestE & deca fine
Dbol test & tren also fine.
A,i on hand

Pct 3 for both cycles.
Length 10-12weeks.
*deca 10wks oush test 2 weeks extra depending on cycle length

Post diet nd stats. More guys will help.
Read through this site a bit more

I know this won't be the answer you're looking for, but unless you're close to your genetic potential athletically, anabolics are premature.

Taking anabolics before you've strengthened your ligaments and tendons through long term progressive overload is a bad long term decision. Tearing one of these is something that's going to stick with you until the grave. And tearing them is easy on gear.

As a beginner to anabolics, when you're eventually ready to cross over to the dark side, you'll start with something simple like test cypionate on its own. As you advance you'll consider adding in stuff like deca, then later maybe dbol/tbol... And when you're training to get on stage, then maybe tren.

For some reason i think this is not the guys 1st cycle.

So i think i would ask for stats first. And then how many cycles have been done in the past.

If you're experienced i would cut out the tren and run with deca. Deca might aid in some relief to your injury while you're trying to bulk up.

However if you have never cycled before please do not just jump on a cycle. The guys here give good advice and it will only be for your benefit to take in what they say

You going to hurt yourself again, you cant go directly back to bubble mode, train 2 or 3 weeks full body & core, then see if your back is where it should be for sudden boost of strength... u have 1 back bro, dont fuck it up for gains.

Exactly like Oupa said. You are trying to speed things up too much. You will fuck up your back again. I've had herniated discs and done it the same to myself a few times because I refused to accept any limitations.

You simply gain strength too fast when you jump back and cycle, making it very easy to injure yourself. There is so many muscles in your lower back and supporting core muscles that all need to strengthen equally to prevent re-injury, as well as the ligaments and tendons which generally take much longer to strengthen than muscles.

I also find that any inflammation due to injury is way worse on cycle than off cycle, so it doesn't even take a full blown injury to have pretty bad pain from inflammation in my back.

If you take it SLOW you can get back to a decent deadlift and squat again, but you can't always rely on how you feel in gym after have a slipped/herniated disc.

The the above.. take it easy.. I have a herniated disk, I asked my chiro what could have caused it, he pointed at the xray and said that right there is a deadlift. So now, hyper extensions.. Like MA says, I know my limitations and I'm not putting myself out of gym for half a year again going to countless people trying to sort it out

Pump do you mean you do Hyper Extensions now instead of deadifts

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Pump do you mean you do Hyper Extensions now instead of deadifts

Yup, just holding onto a plate. But remember, I'm not a bodybuilder anymore, not for around 15 years. So my goals are different.

Would love to chat to you more about this but do not want to derail this thread.

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Would love to chat to you more about this but do not want to derail this thread.

I'd say it is relevant, since the OP has had a back injury and hyper extensions could be very beneficial. Reverse hyper extensions are also excellent for rehab but both exercises can do more damage if not done correctly so best to reseach a bit on them. Overextending your hips/pelvis can stress the compromised disc. Unfortunately most gyms don't have reverse hyper machines.

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Would love to chat to you more about this but do not want to derail this thread.

I just followed the bios advice. Had my form corrected from what I thought I was doing right, similar to what MA was saying. Now I just focus, squeeze, release it's really helped my back in a big way. I can bend over and get things out the cupboard, pick my kid up, but it did take some time and takes allot to not slap some plates on and smash a few deadlifts

A friend who is a Personal Trainer satrted helping me this time around on my New Journey. He is the reason I went for carb cycling and also focusing more on body fat drop than weight loss. He also advised me to stop training so heavy like I always did pointin to my list of past injuries as he said I should now rather start focusing on my training future if I want to continue training for as long as I can. So we swapped out alos deadlifts for hyper extensions this is working wonders for me and Lallie as you guys know she also has a serious back injury. We also swapped normal barbell back squats for Hack Squats and do Vertical and Horizontal Leg Press and Leg Extensions for Quads

Thank you kindly for the advice.

Hoosain is spot on. This will be my third cycle (the last ending in Dec 2017 - test, decca + dbz). Was sitting at 86 kgs before the injury - now at 73kgs.

I'm staying off the gear until I know Im good to go. After the first week back in the gym its obvious the body isnt ready to go full throttle.

A special thanks to Rooibul. Definitely swapping out those deadlifts and squats for the hyperextensions/hack squats etc. Not by choice as I'm still battling with a pinched nerve