TRT protocol - Advice needed.

00pump wrote: I had issues with 404, I have other 404s here and I have 407s but I haven't used it. I personally won't use it again, probably ever again due to no feedback.

That is very sad for me as I have been ordering from PGW for the past four years and I counted now over 30 orders already done. I will also send him a mail now as he always replied within an hour.

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00pump wrote: I had issues with 404, I have other 404s here and I have 407s but I haven't used it. I personally won't use it again, probably ever again due to no feedback.

That is very sad for me as I have been ordering from PGW for the past four years and I counted now over 30 orders already done. I will also send him a mail now as he always replied within an hour.

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Just to clarify this is PGW themself I am talking about not providing feedback where in the past they would reply to me. My supplier offered to swap my vials out for HD Depo, I am now using the HD. It seems to be doing the trick and orcourse still using LP for everything else which is solid as a rock. It is not your local suppliers issue when it comes to that batch of PGW Depo Test and neither would it have been a big deal if they would shed some light.

Some good suppliers out there. My suppliers gave me 3(!) bottles of HD depot at no cost for the PGW that I had. I wasn’t even certain it was all 3 bad bottles but they chose to replace it free of charge and query the lab directly. I’ve used them for years and wouldn’t move because of service like this.

Any confirmation regarding which batches had issues?

I have quite a few TC30000409's I'm planning on using shortly.

Wow been a while I have posted and sad to say I am planning to get back on gear with pgw trusted product thanks for the heads up guys will try the HD not so happy about it but, Ja neh.

Ditto, I'm in the same position - I've just checked my stash and there's a years worth of my TRT with batch 409 (that cost a pretty penny)

I'd expect the lab to just come out and make a statement about which batches were affected and make replacement stock available. By being unresponsive they are going to lose out big time - UGL's live and die by reputation and they have certainly lost this customer unless something decisive happens really quickly.

I've just been forwarded the following response from PGW:

Thanks for understanding, I apologize for this cyp disaster. I am looking into it. Its the first time we've had an issue like this and its completely unacceptable from our side. Its cleaely human error. We'll sort it out and it wont happen again.

Suppliers will replace affected vials.

Don't go on the batch numbers on the labels, I don't think they have any meaning.

admin wrote: I've just been forwarded the following response from PGW:

Thanks for understanding, I apologize for this cyp disaster. I am looking into it. Its the first time we've had an issue like this and its completely unacceptable from our side. Its cleaely human error. We'll sort it out and it wont happen again.

Suppliers will replace affected vials.

Don't go on the batch numbers on the labels, I don't think they have any meaning.

This statement of them also help nothing I am starting my prep 1May and will now not be able to use any of my PGW test vials as if one of them is a fake and with the use of Trenbolone I am going to mess up my prep and my hormones.

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Triton wrote: This statement of them also help nothing I am starting my prep 1May and will now not be able to use any of my PGW test vials as if one of them is a fake and with the use of Trenbolone I am going to mess up my prep and my hormones.

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Yes, the statement is not very thorough, but a statement was never going to solve your problem anyway...

There is a solution to everything and I suggest you contact your supplier and ask to have your vials swapped out for newer ones. The ones you currently have aren't necessarily part of the under-dosed batch, but as a precaution you can request an exchange. I believe PGW closed shop temporarily due to the Pretoria bust, but speak to your supplier and negotiate a way forward.

Triton wrote:

admin wrote: I've just been forwarded the following response from PGW:

Thanks for understanding, I apologize for this cyp disaster. I am looking into it. Its the first time we've had an issue like this and its completely unacceptable from our side. Its cleaely human error. We'll sort it out and it wont happen again.

Suppliers will replace affected vials.

Don't go on the batch numbers on the labels, I don't think they have any meaning.

This statement of them also help nothing I am starting my prep 1May and will now not be able to use any of my PGW test vials as if one of them is a fake and with the use of Trenbolone I am going to mess up my prep and my hormones.

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One thing I can say about PGW is that in ALLLLLLL the years I have used them, and that's pretty much since the beginning, this is the ONLY time I have had a bad 'batch' and it only effected the Test Cyp. I have Test E here that works, and I'm currently using their EQ with no problems. They are aware of the Cyp issue and if they said they will sort it out then all the years or reliable service that word is good enough for me to trust that it will be done and all stock going forward will be good.

I have had the largest pharma giants in the world have issues with chronic medications of mine, look at the previous batch of Pfizer Depo Test, all trashed because of a contamination.. I was purely pissed with PGW not making a statement, if they have now, then great its business as usual.

Well, I've just drawn bloods after being on 200mg/w of PGW cyp batch 409 for 2 weeks and if nothing else - this batch is probably overdosed in the nicest possible way! My bloods cam back at 1880 which is a good 800 up on my usual....

I was wondering why the wife and girlfriends are battling to walk properly and can't pick something up off the floor without multiple happy endings!

Faith in PGW restored....

Xpornstar wrote: Well, I've just drawn bloods after being on 200mg/w of PGW cyp batch 409 for 2 weeks and if nothing else - this batch is probably overdosed in the nicest possible way! My bloods cam back at 1880 which is a good 800 up on my usual....

I was wondering why the wife and girlfriends are battling to walk properly and can't pick something up off the floor without multiple happy endings!

Faith in PGW restored....

Nice to hear it. Thanks bud