Sarms cycle , Ciccone still exist ?

Hi All

Please advise I’m mulling over doing a light test (300ml per week ) tbol cycle 12 weeks

Vs Sarms cycle rad140 / lgd 8 weeks then introducing mk677 after with pct

Would appreciate your thoughts the pros and cons versus each example

Hopefully Rooi bull sees this and can assist

Secondly I ve been out of the loop for sometime now I only recently heard about Ciccones bust

Are they still manufacturing product ? Just curious

300mg Test + tbol will be way better, but tbol should be run up to 6 weeks.

What are your stats at the moment?

If your body fat is low enough then 300mg Tes a Week with Tbol is the way to go hands down. Nothing beats a clean solid diet and Testosterone in my experience.
Yes I love SARMs but Test Stays the best.

Shot gents

Just curious and i know it’s not an easy answer as one can’t predict

How much more significant would you deem the tbol / test vs Sarms cycle

My apprehension is this I’m prone to mpb ( so I want to protect the hair ) and gyno prone hence the reason for such low dose of test and the choice of tbol

And obviously the reason why I’m looking to sarms as an alternative


FYI Rooi I’m sitting round 83 kgs at the moment my diet has been off ie not eating enough

I’m generally round 85 kg most of the time

The goal is to get up to 88 even 90 if possible

That changes things...

What is your body fat?

Round 12 percent

With your MPB and gyno issues I would be wary of Testosterone. But If you run Aromasin From your first pin at 20mg every second or third day you should be fine on the gyno side. But I notice that sometimes if my hormones are even just a little out of whack or out of sync then my nipples get puffy and tender.

Bro gains wise size and strength a SARMs cycle is not even half as potent as a Test and Tbol cycle but the SARMs are safer.

In your case I would just play it safe and Do RAD 140 at 10mg am and 10mg later in the day and do MK677 the whole cycle all the way throug till end off PCT you cqn even add GW 501516 to the cycle it is also non suppressive and also aids nutrient partitioning

Really not even half as potent sho

Ya I don’t have access to aromasin

I saw in another post you recommended s4 with Rad

That is if you have access to Liquip Pharmaceuticals SARMs. All the other S4 is dosed too low for males and even only the LGD from LP is the only one I trust.

If you add S4 then do 50 to 75mg a day split into 2 or three dosages.

On the potency. Yes look SARMs were designed to be safer than Steroids and they are. But they are not as potent as steroids. But for those of us that use SARMs we know from the start that we use them because they are safer and that is what makes it worth while. You recover faster and many side effects you do not have to worry about.

What can one expect with a s4 rad cycle

Doesn’t s4 have nasty sides ?

The only side effect of S4 is sometimes some users have trouble adjusting from well lit rooms into dark rooms then the night vision takes long to adjust. Some guys get a green tint to their sight but after stopping S4 all returns to normal after 2 weeks. I used LP S4 at up to 75mg on some days for 12weeks most days was 50mg per day.

Results I can not say bud. Everyone is diffrent and your diet dictates 80% plus of you resluts.

I never make predictions of how much a person can gain or loose.
I know my body not yours.

I hear you bro

But in your opinion rad and s4 is better than rad and lgd ?

I’m just looking for a solid stack

What length of cycle do you recommend

What pct do you recommend

Stupid question

Tbol and rad 140 cycle ?

Your thoughts

I would not stack RAD and LGD they work in a very similar way results are also very similar so choose either RAD or LGD and run it with S4 the reason I like to add S4 is most SARMs are just anabolic and not androgenic S4 adds some androgen component to the cycle so it improves hardness and dryness if your diet is on point.

Same with TBol and Rad you will get better gains from TBol than RAD but I would not stack them as they also work in a very similar way.

PCT would be PCT 1 as per the PCT article in this site's Article section If you do PCT one then you can run any SARM cycle 12 weeks easy

And S4 is still safe hair / gyno wise ?

You mentioned lp has S4 what dosage per tab is there’s

I’m thinking s4 lgd and mk677 for 8 weeks

Yep S4 is safe.

LP S4 Andarine is 25mg per capsule.

LGD and S4 and MK677 very solid stack man.

Eat clean and train dirty and you shoud enjoy it

Shot Rooi

Do you agree with the 8 weeks cycle length ?

S4 you reckon 50mg split ( 25mg twice per day ) mk677 at night and lgd dose ?

8 weeks is good yes.
Yes dosages are good.
LGD 10mg per day would be good LP does dose theirs as 10mg per cap.

If you guys don't mind I'd like to share an opinion. I'm not 100% convinced that sarms are that much "safer" than running test at a dose like 300mg. Too many people have reported being shut down for sarms for me to consider it "safe".

I personally would opt for a decent test cycle and most likely add anavar for a "mild and safe" cycle. This way I get good results and don't expose myself to sides. I'd rather get shut down on test than on sarms and get decent gains in the process. We also don't have enough experience and tests to 100% convince me it's as safe as people make it out to be.

Please keep in mind this is my opinion on sarms and should not be taken as anything close to the holy grail.

Hoosain wrote: If you guys don't mind I'd like to share an opinion. I'm not 100% convinced that sarms are that much "safer" than running test at a dose like 300mg. Too many people have reported being shut down for sarms for me to consider it "safe".

I personally would opt for a decent test cycle and most likely add anavar for a "mild and safe" cycle. This way I get good results and don't expose myself to sides. I'd rather get shut down on test than on sarms and get decent gains in the process. We also don't have enough experience and tests to 100% convince me it's as safe as people make it out to be.

Please keep in mind this is my opinion on sarms and should not be taken as anything close to the holy grail.

I completely agree.

In the study mentioned a few times on this forum before, on only 1mg LGD 4033 per day, after 3 weeks study participants total testosterone dropped to a very low average of only ±7.3 nmol/l for us in SA). Over 60% suppression on 1mg. Thats super suppressive.

So considering we usually take 10-20x that LGD dose... You will be heavily shut down and need PCT. Unless you're not stacking and are only doing a low dose of the less suppressive sarms, always do PCT. 20mg/Nolva is generally fine and will help you hold onto gains. MK677 and GW/Cardarine are not SARMS and will not shut you down at all. Great to stack with anything.

If you've done a fair amount of cycles before, you won't see anything new that haven't seen from prohormones and milder oral AAS.

Healthwise, the difference between an average SARMS stack and 40mg var/30mg tbol/30mg Winny for 6 weeks is negligible

For natty guys who have an issue with the legalities or moral (lol) issues surrounding steroids, knock yourself out with SARMS if it's easier on your conscience. Otherwise Test is best.