1st Gh cycle

Howzit. So, got myself a box of EU gh. Been out for a long time, just got back into training a about month or so ago. Doing some cardio in the morning and weights in the evening 4 times a week. The Mrs and myself using 2iu gh a day. This is week 2. From yesterday beginning to experience tingling and numbness in hands, believe this to be normal with gh. However today, I have this pain in my ribs, lower end and back, like on the spine. Is this possible from the gh or more likely from over-doing it with the training...?

I would say over training

Yeah...getting old now...too eager I suppose. Taking gh and some test and been pushing myself a bit too much I guess. Will rest it out next few days. Continue with the gh to speed up recovery. Oh, I also had a small muscle tear in my back in the first week that I started...so yeah...guess I will ease back

Wayne wrote: Yeah...getting old now...too eager I suppose. Taking gh and some test and been pushing myself a bit too much I guess. Will rest it out next few days. Continue with the gh to speed up recovery. Oh, I also had a small muscle tear in my back in the first week that I started...so yeah...guess I will ease back

Take it easy bro. I've been on GH straight for almost a year now, it's not a miracle drug. Slow and steady, you want to rejuvenate yourself not add intense metabolic strain. I hope you did all your cancer marker tests if you looking at running this for awhile.

00pump wrote:

Wayne wrote: Yeah...getting old now...too eager I suppose. Taking gh and some test and been pushing myself a bit too much I guess. Will rest it out next few days. Continue with the gh to speed up recovery. Oh, I also had a small muscle tear in my back in the first week that I started...so yeah...guess I will ease back

Take it easy bro. I've been on GH straight for almost a year now, it's not a miracle drug. Slow and steady, you want to rejuvenate yourself not add intense metabolic strain. I hope you did all your cancer marker tests if you looking at running this for awhile.

Thanks pump...nope, didn't do any cancer tests. Looking at doing the gh for 3 to 6 months..would that be short term enough, or should I get those tests done.

Wayne wrote: From yesterday beginning to experience tingling and numbness in hands, believe this to be normal with gh. However today, I have this pain in my ribs, lower end and back, like on the spine. Is this possible from the gh or more likely from over-doing it with the training...?

Tingling and numbness in your hands from 2iu means you've got very decent HGH. Feedback has been great on this brand. Definitely time for me to try some too.

Muscleaddict wrote:

Wayne wrote: From yesterday beginning to experience tingling and numbness in hands, believe this to be normal with gh. However today, I have this pain in my ribs, lower end and back, like on the spine. Is this possible from the gh or more likely from over-doing it with the training...?

Tingling and numbness in your hands from 2iu means you've got very decent HGH. Feedback has been great on this brand. Definitely time for me to try some too.

I still get it nearly a year down from EUtropin. So it seems each batch I have recieved has been quite consistent. I have not done bloods for a few months but due within the next 2 before I see my endo again.

Ok, so about 6 weeks in now. 3iu gh in am, (did 2iu for the first 4 weeks) 500mg test a week, 40mg proviron a day. I have gotten bigger, clothes a little tighter, no noticeable fat loss...but diet could be better on weekends..

I am having this issue now with hands and feet, a little sore and puffy, seems like a bit of water retention, assuming from the gh. Should I drop back to 2iu? Taking the clicks milk thistle with dandelion and my blood pressure med, using the losaar now that has a diuretic...

Wayne wrote: Ok, so about 6 weeks in now. 3iu gh in am, (did 2iu for the first 4 weeks) 500mg test a week, 40mg proviron a day. I have gotten bigger, clothes a little tighter, no noticeable fat loss...but diet could be better on weekends..

I am having this issue now with hands and feet, a little sore and puffy, seems like a bit of water retention, assuming from the gh. Should I drop back to 2iu? Taking the clicks milk thistle with dandelion and my blood pressure med, using the losaar now that has a diuretic...

2iu is plenty bro. I even had to cut back, a year down the line I have been able to tolerate 3iu now, but no reason to use 3iu if you getting side effects, I was using 1iu for quite some months as 2iu was doing the same with me.

00pump wrote:

Wayne wrote: Ok, so about 6 weeks in now. 3iu gh in am, (did 2iu for the first 4 weeks) 500mg test a week, 40mg proviron a day. I have gotten bigger, clothes a little tighter, no noticeable fat loss...but diet could be better on weekends..

I am having this issue now with hands and feet, a little sore and puffy, seems like a bit of water retention, assuming from the gh. Should I drop back to 2iu? Taking the clicks milk thistle with dandelion and my blood pressure med, using the losaar now that has a diuretic...

2iu is plenty bro. I even had to cut back, a year down the line I have been able to tolerate 3iu now, but no reason to use 3iu if you getting side effects, I was using 1iu for quite some months as 2iu was doing the same with me.

Ok, thanks alot. Will do.

Ok, since last post, dropped to 2iu. Initially, it did get better. But now,hands and feet getting puffy again, feet esp as I am on my feet more now during this busy period at work...also, my right hand only is numb, every day esp the thumb, the other fingers, it comes n goes. Yesterday was quite bad, I was battling to hold the dumbbells. If it is the gh, why numbness only on the right hand and not left? Or is this an injury, some nerve impingement...

If gh related, do I stay on 2iu or drop to 1iu and see what happens...

Wayne wrote: Ok, since last post, dropped to 2iu. Initially, it did get better. But now,hands and feet getting puffy again, feet esp as I am on my feet more now during this busy period at work...also, my right hand only is numb, every day esp the thumb, the other fingers, it comes n goes. Yesterday was quite bad, I was battling to hold the dumbbells. If it is the gh, why numbness only on the right hand and not left? Or is this an injury, some nerve impingement...

If gh related, do I stay on 2iu or drop to 1iu and see what happens...

Drop to 1 iu. It only happens to me on my left hand. I was struggling on 1iu pharma GH. Rather run it longer at low dose than higher with side effects. I was discussing this with DJ for awhile while having the issue and we agreed for me to ride it out but only on 1 iu.

00pump wrote:

Wayne wrote: Ok, since last post, dropped to 2iu. Initially, it did get better. But now,hands and feet getting puffy again, feet esp as I am on my feet more now during this busy period at work...also, my right hand only is numb, every day esp the thumb, the other fingers, it comes n goes. Yesterday was quite bad, I was battling to hold the dumbbells. If it is the gh, why numbness only on the right hand and not left? Or is this an injury, some nerve impingement...

If gh related, do I stay on 2iu or drop to 1iu and see what happens...

Drop to 1 iu. It only happens to me on my left hand. I was struggling on 1iu pharma GH. Rather run it longer at low dose than higher with side effects. I was discussing this with DJ for awhile while having the issue and we agreed for me to ride it out but only on 1 iu.

Awesome, thanks for the reply. Will do 1iu from Monday

What BP meds are you on? Blood pressure meds which are calcium channel blockers have edema (hands/finger/feet swelling) as a common side effect. Common BP meds are generally either ACE inhibitors or calcium blockers as far as I know before they add diuretics. ACE inhibitors don't have the edema swelling as a side effect. I was prescribed prexum (perindopril) for high BP and it worked very well for my BP but does not affect fluid retention.

So I'm thinking in your case, when taking just the blood pressure meds fluid retention might not be an issue, but along with HGH now it might be the last straw that broke the camels back.

I've been using 2.5IU/day of EU HGH for 5 weeks now and I have some tingles in my hands and slight numbness now and then but thats it. The improvements to skin, body composition, recovery and overall wellbeing are very good for underground lab stuff.

Muscleaddict wrote: What BP meds are you on? Blood pressure meds which are calcium channel blockers have edema (hands/finger/feet swelling) as a common side effect. Common BP meds are generally either ACE inhibitors or calcium blockers as far as I know before they add diuretics. ACE inhibitors don't have the edema swelling as a side effect. I was prescribed prexum (perindopril) for high BP and it worked very well for my BP but does not affect fluid retention.

So I'm thinking in your case, when taking just the blood pressure meds fluid retention might not be an issue, but along with HGH now it might be the last straw that broke the camels back.

I've been using 2.5IU/day of EU HGH for 5 weeks now and I have some tingles in my hands and slight numbness now and then but thats it. The improvements to skin, body composition, recovery and overall wellbeing are very good for underground lab stuff.

Very valid, always remember when you go on a loop diuretic to supplement with slow-k or equivalent.

BP med is losartan with hydrochlorothiazide. It's split now, I have the Zarten tabs and diuretic seperate. Also I generally keep the dose to half tab of each so it's 25mg Zarten and 6.25mg of diuretic. I find taking Cialis 5mg like twice a week along with that keeps my BP in check...

So...I don't think it's the BP med...would my assumption be correct guys?

Losartan can cause water retention. It might not be a major common side effect but edema (what you have) is listed as a side effect. Taking both HGH with losartan would increase the chances of annoying swelling in hands and feet since they both can cause it.

You could try 12.5mg HCZ but playing with diuretics is tricky as won't always help much with edema if your electrolyte balance is off.

Muscleaddict wrote: Losartan can cause water retention. It might not be a major common side effect but edema (what you have) is listed as a side effect. Taking both HGH with losartan would increase the chances of annoying swelling in hands and feet since they both can cause it.

You could try 12.5mg HCZ but playing with diuretics is tricky as won't always help much with edema if your electrolyte balance is off.

Thanks, since I dropped to 2iu from 3, the swelling has improved, from yesterday I dropped to 1iu. The numbness in my thumb is what's left. Swelling is not so bad now. The numbness was pretty bad last week that I couldnt grip a 10kg dumbbell properly. Yesterday I had a good training session. So will see how it goes for next week or so on 1iu then maybe up it to 1.5iu...

Thinking to maybe go to chiro or get a deep tissue massage as well, think that will help any?

Wayne wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote: Losartan can cause water retention. It might not be a major common side effect but edema (what you have) is listed as a side effect. Taking both HGH with losartan would increase the chances of annoying swelling in hands and feet since they both can cause it.

You could try 12.5mg HCZ but playing with diuretics is tricky as won't always help much with edema if your electrolyte balance is off.

Thanks, since I dropped to 2iu from 3, the swelling has improved, from yesterday I dropped to 1iu. The numbness in my thumb is what's left. Swelling is not so bad now. The numbness was pretty bad last week that I couldnt grip a 10kg dumbbell properly. Yesterday I had a good training session. So will see how it goes for next week or so on 1iu then maybe up it to 1.5iu...

Thinking to maybe go to chiro or get a deep tissue massage as well, think that will help any?

Reason I say chiro or deep tissue is cos it tends to feel worse after training. I don't train on weekends...(also don't take gh on weekends) and come Mondays, the numbness n pins n needles is much lighter. So thinking maybe also possibly some knotted muscle impeding on a nerve...?

Hi MA.

How is Enalapril in this regard? Reason I am asking is I am on 5mg per day?

Wayne, sorry for jumping in on your thread.

00pump wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote: What BP meds are you on? Blood pressure meds which are calcium channel blockers have edema (hands/finger/feet swelling) as a common side effect. Common BP meds are generally either ACE inhibitors or calcium blockers as far as I know before they add diuretics. ACE inhibitors don't have the edema swelling as a side effect. I was prescribed prexum (perindopril) for high BP and it worked very well for my BP but does not affect fluid retention.

So I'm thinking in your case, when taking just the blood pressure meds fluid retention might not be an issue, but along with HGH now it might be the last straw that broke the camels back.

I've been using 2.5IU/day of EU HGH for 5 weeks now and I have some tingles in my hands and slight numbness now and then but thats it. The improvements to skin, body composition, recovery and overall wellbeing are very good for underground lab stuff.

Very valid, always remember when you go on a loop diuretic to supplement with slow-k or equivalent.

But then also remember when you get off long term GH your potasium is going to be high.

Hi, Muscle Addict.

How is Enalapril on water retention and bloat? I am on 5mg every day prescribed by a Docter. He says as I am so heavy and muscular for my size my blood pressure will always be slightly elavated and he wants to keep my blood pressure normal to protect my health as I age.

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Hi, Muscle Addict.

How is Enalapril on water retention and bloat? I am on 5mg every day prescribed by a Docter. He says as I am so heavy and muscular for my size my blood pressure will always be slightly elevated and he wants to keep my blood pressure normal to protect my health as I age.

Hey bud, water retention from BP meds is specifically water around your ankles, swollen feet and hands/fingers, but its not a common side effect. At your very low dose you shouldn't have any issue.

You can probably control your BP just by getting your weight down a bit. But you're in your early 30's so you can get away with carrying a lot of size with borderline blood pressure for a while.

Thanks for the reply.

I am going to work on getting some weight off this year. The only meds I am on is the Enalapril but I want to get the wieght off so my BP can be normal. In my mind I am too young to be on meds.

Sorry for the hijack Wayne.