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13 Feb 2020 13:35 #221123 by Klein Seun
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Hi everyone, I'm a 28 year old male and just started training but not even getting decent newbie gains. A friend suggested trying dainabol but being an epileptic and not know anything about the stuff I find myself researching it endlessly without getting anywhere the closest I have gotten to actually reading something interesting that might work for a first cycle was (mk2866) can anyone tell me more about this and make some suggestions ? Also keep in mind I weigh only 70kg and I have epilepsy !!!

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13 Feb 2020 14:02 - 13 Feb 2020 14:05 #221125 by 00pump
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Klein Seun wrote: Hi everyone, I'm a 28 year old male and just started training but not even getting decent newbie gains. A friend suggested trying dainabol but being an epileptic and not know anything about the stuff I find myself researching it endlessly without getting anywhere the closest I have gotten to actually reading something interesting that might work for a first cycle was (mk2866) can anyone tell me more about this and make some suggestions ? Also keep in mind I weigh only 70kg and I have epilepsy !!!


Have your psychiatrist give you the green light if you want to use steroids.

I would not recommend it even if you never had the issue. Your friends are feeding you garbage advice, you trying to jump forward a year in the gym without doing the time, just to many things wrong with this.. Spend your time understanding how to eat correctly and spend your money on that, when you have 2 years under your belt relook at it. I know you probably won't take the advice and do your own thing, so be it, but whatever you decide get your Dr to give the green light.

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13 Feb 2020 15:23 #221127 by Klein Seun
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Like I said I have no knowledge what so ever of steroids I don't even know how to approach my doctor with this as I believe it's illegal, and yes I know it's trying to take the shortcut to gains without putting in the max effort I just really want to get buffed up fast I don't have a whole year. Im getting married in November and I really just want to look and feel my best before then, that is literally my goal I'm not planning to do this for a living or even competitive body building I doubt I'll even have a second or third cycle

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13 Feb 2020 16:17 #221130 by 00pump
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And with steroids comes complete changes in your mood, maybe your wife to be doesn't like the person you become. I'm not willing to help, maybe some of the other members are.

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13 Feb 2020 16:19 - 13 Feb 2020 16:19 #221131 by Oupa
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Klein Seun wrote: Like I said I have no knowledge what so ever of steroids I don't even know how to approach my doctor with this as I believe it's illegal, and yes I know it's trying to take the shortcut to gains without putting in the max effort I just really want to get buffed up fast I don't have a whole year. Im getting married in November and I really just want to look and feel my best before then, that is literally my goal I'm not planning to do this for a living or even competitive body building I doubt I'll even have a second or third cycle


Epilepsy and steroids! The steroids chance to exacerbate the epilepsy is dangerous, why risk your life to be water blown buffed up for your wedding?

Dude, your post is so wrong for so many reasons.

What is newbie gains? You get those when you play sports in school. Whats your sports history?
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13 Feb 2020 17:10 #221135 by Klein Seun
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I never did sports at school the epilepsy was to harsh and never set foot in a gym either but I have been seizure free for the past 3 years so doctor said I'm safe to start training and trying to develop muscle if that's what I want to do

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13 Feb 2020 17:11 #221136 by Klein Seun
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No problem thank you for the input and advice I appreciate it

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13 Feb 2020 18:12 - 13 Feb 2020 18:15 #221137 by Rooi Bul 86
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Hi, Tjom.

Jis ek weet nie so mooi nie. As jou vriende weet jy het Epelepsie en dat jy op medikasie is en hulle stel Steroids voor vir jou dan sal twee keer dink as ek jy is voor dat ek weer vir daai vriende luister.

Pella ek sal se oefen net en geniet dit. Maar doen huis werk ou leer meer oor hoe om reg te oefen. Leer oor hoe om reg te eet vir jou doelwitte. Jy kan ver kom net met reg oefen en genoeg en reg eet.

Hoe lank is jy en wat weeg jy en hoe oud is jy stuur my daai informasie en dan werk ons uit hoeveel Calories moet jou eet?

Se my ook eerlik hoeveel keer n week oefen jy en hoelank is n sessie? Se my ook in detail wat doen jy gewoonlik in n oefen sessie. So verduidelik vir my in detail wat oefen jy elek dag en hoe oefen jy dit.

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13 Feb 2020 20:57 #221143 by Klein Seun
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Rooi Bul Ek is 1.7 lank, Ek weeg 70kg, Ek is maandag tot vrydag in die gym 7uur tot 10uur waarvan my Eerste uur cardio is 30min treadmill en 30min op die spinfietse Dan probeer Ek net weights stoot tot Ek nie meer kan nie. 20 reps, 15reps dan 12reps Elke set reps met meer weight. Dan doen Ek bene en core selfde manier 20, 15, 12 Ek is op n high protein plant based diet en usn supliments pure creatine, fast grow aminos en all in one Whey gh

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13 Feb 2020 21:42 - 13 Feb 2020 21:51 #221144 by Rooi Bul 86
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Nee hel pel.

Met daai manier van oefen gaan jy net wiele spin en nerens kom nie.

Ek stel voor jy doen huiswerk en soek Push Pull Legs programme op en doen dit vir 6dae n week rus die 7de dag. Alhoewel op n Vegan diet dink ek daai gaan ook teveel wees so doen Maandag Push. Woensdag Pull en Vrydag Legs.
Sny ook alle suiker behalwe die wat van groente en vrugte is uit. So moenie suiker in jou koffie of tee drink nie en moenie koeldrank met suiker in flavoured water drink nie. Jy sal moet baie eet om spier te bou pel. Vir reps stel ek voor doen 15, 12, 10 ,8 en elke set swaarder. Op die Dinsdag en Donderdag gaan in gym toe en doen 4 stelle van n bo maag en 4 stelle van n onder maag oefening 25 reps per stel.

Jy sal moet 2800 Calories n dag eet maat waarvan 30% gesonde goeie vette moet wees dis so 93g Vet. So jy gaan moet eet en jy sal moet n app aflaai op jou foon om jou kos te track wat jy eet om seker te mask jy haal 2800 Calories en 93g Vet.

Sterkte en gaan lees oor goeie Push Pull Legs programme. Testosterone Nation het die 2 bestes

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13 Feb 2020 22:19 - 13 Feb 2020 22:21 #221145 by Oupa
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Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Nee hel pel.

Met daai manier van oefen gaan jy net wiele spin en nerens kom nie.

Ek stel voor jy doen huiswerk en soek Push Pull Legs programme op en doen dit vir 6dae n week rus die 7de dag. Alhoewel op n Vegan diet dink ek daai gaan ook teveel wees so doen Maandag Push. Woensdag Pull en Vrydag Legs.
Sny ook alle suiker behalwe die wat van groente en vrugte is uit. So moenie suiker in jou koffie of tee drink nie en moenie koeldrank met suiker in flavoured water drink nie. Jy sal moet baie eet om spier te bou pel. Vir reps stel ek voor doen 15, 12, 10 ,8 en elke set swaarder. Op die Dinsdag en Donderdag gaan in gym toe en doen 4 stelle van n bo maag en 4 stelle van n onder maag oefening 25 reps per stel.

Jy sal moet 2800 Calories n dag eet maat waarvan 30% gesonde goeie vette moet wees dis so 93g Vet. So jy gaan moet eet en jy sal moet n app aflaai op jou foon om jou kos te track wat jy eet om seker te mask jy haal 2800 Calories en 93g Vet.

Sterkte en gaan lees oor goeie Push Pull Legs programme. Testosterone Nation het die 2 bestes


+1 - Rooibul - Goeie post.

@ Klein Seun - Jy gaan jouself goed opfok as jy steriods gaan gebruik met n ligaam wat minimale oefening agter die rug het. Fok die big boy look vir jou troue, dit gaanie werk nie. Hou aan oefen, volg Rooibul se raad, en dalk kan jy op n 200mg per week test only cycle begin, en so dit deurwerk. Dit kan gedoen word met epilepsy, maar jy moet geduldig wees, en dit n lang termyn life style change doen, anders is dit net nog n fokkop.

As jy dit reg doen, en luister na die raad, kan jy soos n MF lyk teen jou troue.

Sterkte met die troue, dit is erger as legdays 5 keer n week ;)
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14 Feb 2020 06:50 #221147 by Klein Seun
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@Rooi Bul eerstens baie dankie vir die Raad en inligting dit word opreg wardeer.

Wat dink jy van die ketogenic diet Kan dit n goeie impak hê op wat Ek Moet doen en wat Ek wil beryk met n goeie push pull legs program, daar is n vegetarian alternative wat in plaas van vleis kry Ek my gesonde Vette van neute, avos, olie en ander groente af.

@Oupa dankie Ek Gaan beslis die Raad volg Soos Ek gesê het Ek wil goed lyk en goed voel op my trou dag as Ek myself net Gaan opneuk dan is dit sinneloos, hoe lank stel jy voor Ek oefen voor Ek op n test only cycle begin en wate produk sal jy voorstel , wat sal jy reken is n gepaste dosage Vir my situasie ?

Weer eens baie dankie vir die hulp en Raad dit word opreg wardeer
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14 Feb 2020 07:08 - 14 Feb 2020 07:13 #221148 by Rooi Bul 86
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Jis pel.

Om net van diet te verander is n groot storie veral in jou geval. My Skoon Ma en my Beste vriend van kinder dae af het ook altwee Epelepsie en ek weet diet het n groot impak. So ek stel voor praat eerder met jou Dokter voordat jy net sommer op n diet spring of iets verander.

Die Calories van 2800 n dag en 93g Gesonde vet n dag sal nie jou Epelepsie vererger nie. Maar om skielik van n Keto Diet af na plant based tor te gaan of van Plant Based na Keto toe dit gaan n rol speel ja.

As jy tans besig is om n plant based diet te eet en jou Epelepsie is onder beheer dan stel ek voor bly op dit en Laai die Fat Secret App af. By sy Settings waar hy jou RDI uitwerk gaan deur alles en dan waar hy jou Calories vir jou gee klick op die Calorie bedrag en sit in 2800. Soos wat jy gewig optel sal ons daai getal op stoot. Maak seker jy eet daai 2800 Calories en eet 93g vet van neute en olyf olie en avo.

Ek sal se wag eers met die Testosterone only Cycle gee die Oefening met Push Pull Legs en die reg en meer eet so 3 maande kaans en dan gaan jy op Tetsosterone Cypionate 200mg per week soos Oupa voorgestel het vir so 12 weke.

Maar ek hou by wat ek se, gaan praat ook met jou Dokter voordat jy net gat oor kop in alles inspring. Asseblief.

En gee my feed back sodat ek weet hoe gaan dit met jou en hoe vorder dinge. As jy vinnig recover na oefen sessies kan ons dalk laat jy meer dae n week oefen. Maar dit is alles klein stappies op n slag alles moet in balans bly en jy sal moet eerlik wees met my en met jouself.

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14 Feb 2020 07:55 #221150 by Klein Seun
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Dankie dan maak Ek so en Ek sal jou beslis op hoogte Hou met bordering en hoe Ek voel dis Vir my belangrik Om eerlik te wees dat Ek my end result Kan haal Ek is dom met die dinge dis hoekom Ek hier kom Raad en inligting vra het by mense wat weet van die leefstyl. Is daar enige muscle groups wat extra of spesiale aandag nodig het wat ek dalk ook met EMS sessions Kan boost of is dit nie regtig nodig nie ?

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14 Feb 2020 08:52 #221152 by Oupa
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EK sou se jy moet n streng core program begin om jou ligaam gereed te kry. As jy nou iets gebruik, skeer jy beslis iets af, joint, spier, ligament... not worth it. Kyk na opsies van core programme en werk dit in by jou Push/Pull/Legs program.
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14 Feb 2020 09:10 #221153 by Klein Seun
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@Oupa ja beslis core is Vir my belangrik omrede Ek so klein en maer is Gaan dit pateties lyk groot arms, skouers en bors dan n skraal middle en Groot bene. Is daar spesifike oefening wat beste is Vir core (buite "plank") daai breuk my binne sekondes :dry:

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14 Feb 2020 10:29 #221154 by vojago
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Klein seun, I'm not nearly as knowledgeable in these matters as the others that have commented so they're welcome to contradict me. But I can tell you what I've experienced.

I've been working out for almost five years, never touched steroids, although the temptation has been there. I got decent strong, worked up to a five plate deadlift when I was diagnosed with low testosterone. I was reasonably big at over 100 kg, but with quite a bit of fat too. There was no doubt in anyones mind that I lifted. Perhaps I was a bit of the stereotypical fat powerlifter.

Then I started Keto and lost all the fat (and a bit of muscle). Now I look the part, with six pack and a very decent amount of muscle.

My takeaway from the last few years.
1. Hormones will not prevent you from getting big or strong. Lack thereof might just hinder you from reaching your maximum potential. (Just from my experience, no reason to think you have this problem).
2. To gain muscle you need to eat, a lot. This is where I ate till I got up to over 100 kg. I should have done this with a slightly cleaner diet though, but it worked.
3. To look good naked you need to get rid of the fat. That's the part I got right the last year on the Keto diet. Now I look pretty decent, I am stronger than any of my non steroid enhanced friends and I feel pretty good.

Anecdotally, I have friends that have improved their epilepsy with the Keto diet. But it largely depends on the type of epilepsy and that is as much as I know about this topic. This part is best cleared with your doctor as it sounds like you current diet works for you.

No need for me to comment on steroid use at this time in your lifting career, I don't really know anything about steroids and the big beards have already shared their wisdom.
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14 Feb 2020 22:39 #221179 by Klein Seun
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@Rooi bul is dit n slegte ding as Ek meer as my 2800 calories n dag in neem of is dit beter Vir my ?

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15 Feb 2020 06:00 #221180 by Rooi Bul 86
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Die vraag is hoelank nou al neem jy meer as 2800 in? As dit vir n lang tyd nou al is maar jy is steeds op n lae Body Fat% dan is dit okay. Maar as jy nou eers gister of eergister begin het om so baie te eet dan sal se moet jy dit terug sny na 2800 toe. Onthou ons wil he jy moet spier optel nie vet word nie

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15 Feb 2020 13:55 #221184 by Klein Seun
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Ek dink dis Al so Paar maande so Ek eet 400g graankos Elke oggend, so tussen 8 en 12 eiers n dag met gedroogte vrugte tussen deur as snacks Dan n gesonde porsie Vir aand eette ... Dan Kom my melk, my sap en my supplements ook nog by dit en Ek doen dit Al seker 7 maande so my gewig sal so op en af beweeg met n kg of twee Elke maand

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15 Feb 2020 16:38 #221186 by Rooi Bul 86
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Jy moet konstant wees met wat jy eet elke dag dieselfde Calories as jy ernstig is oor die doelwit wat jy wil bereik jy het nie baie tyd nie. Dis hoekom ek hammer op Teac elke dag alles wat jy eet.


Het jy al op Testosterone Nation gekyk vir die Article, The Best Damn Teaining Routine for Natural Lifters?

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17 Feb 2020 10:48 #221198 by Klein Seun
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@Rooi bul Alles word nou op fat secret app gelaai so uur voor die tyd sodat ek kan Sien of ek meer moet by sit of dalk iets Moet uithaal niks Onder 2800kcal Nie en Ek probeer om Nie meer as 3200kcal te gaan nie

Yes Ek het die oefen program en artikel Gaan deur lees dit gee my n baie beter idee van waar Ek veranderig Kan maak wanneer Ek in die gym is dankie dit het baie gehelp

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17 Feb 2020 11:07 #221199 by Rooi Bul 86
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Mooi so, Maat.

Dit klink vir my reg. Wees nou net Konstant met dit.

Volgende sal ek se fokus mom genoeg te slaap minstens 7ure n aand verkieslik as jy kan 8ure. Drink genoeg water ook.

Google ook en soek en kyk om die oefeninge elk en met die regte form te doen. Fokus op die regte form en tegniek moenie worry om swaar te gaan nie dit kom met tyd.

Gee dit alles so n maand kaans. As jy sien dit werk of as daar nog iets is praat met my. Selfs as dit werk laat weet ons dis ook lekker om te hoor.

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17 Feb 2020 12:43 #221200 by Klein Seun
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Ek maak so dankie, die slaap ding is bietjie rof op die oomblik Ek werk n volle dag en in die aand versorg Ek my moeder en gym Vir so 3 ure. Ek haal 5 tot 6 Ure se slaap n dag maar Ek sal Kyk waar Ek Kan Kort knip en inhaal Om meer slaap te kry.

Met form sal ek bietjie loer maar Ek is gelukig om n personal trainer by die gym te ken wat my help as Ek sukkel met dit .
Weer eens baie dankie dit word opreg wardeer Ek sal gereeld Kom update maak op vordering .

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