Newbie to PED's need some advice

Hi, I am a 21 year old male 22 this year. I weigh about 75-76kg at the moment. I am around 1.86m. Been working out for 3 years now 2 of those 5-6 days per week with around 1-2 hours weight training per session.

Now for the question.
I have bad genetics for muscle. When I started I was same length but weighed around 62kg. I avoid the advice from gym goers and do my own research most of the time. A long time friend of mine recommended cyp 250 with naplins but I see that "naplins" Anapolon is very bad news for a beginner.

So I want to find out from you guys will the beginner lean mass cycle be a good choice for me currently? With the schedule on this site? I am open to advice and suggestions because I don't trust the "bro's" even though they dont appear to have side effects.

Cycle:
6x LP Oral Primobolan (20mg x 50)
4x LP Proviron (20mg x 50)

PCT:
1x LP Clomid (50mg x 15)
1x LP Nolvadex (20mg x 30)

Pointless cycle. Rather do A SARM like RAD140. It's not liver toxic and milder than anavar on cholesterol. But you'll also lose almost all if not all your gains after PCT with bad genetics regardless what oral cycle you do. You need to train yourself to eat right.

Any top dogs can correct me if im wrong but primo isnt supressive right ?

I like Rad 140. Like muscle said its a useless cycle. Read up on primo - I did my first cycle with Rad 140 .

Did blood test 2 months later , thought i would check out test levels
Total t - 20.7 nmol/l
SHBG - 42.7 nmol/l
Free Test - 380.8 pmol/l

wouldnt say it was very suppresive

how u know its real Rad is that your testes doesnt shrink but it does feel tighter after drinking your daily dosage.

Stamina increase for weights - no inc in cardio stamina
VASCULARITYYYYY
and significant strength increase...

Just do a pct dont be stupid like i was.

BUT listen to guys like muscle,pump,oupa,admin etc. They would know more. But Rad 140 is pretty dope.

was'nt ver suppressive Free Test at 380 fir you age us way low bud. At your age it should be over 500 closer to 600.

Just saying.

Yeah I just referenced the "beginner lean mass" cycle from this page. I will check out RAD140.
Thanks

JJ if I may jump in here bud..my advice is stick to what works. Have a good Test Base with any cycle especially when doing orals.
Best yet when doing your first ever cycle, just do test and nothing else. This will allow you to assess how your body reacts to one compound. Couple that with a good eating plan and a training plan from hell and you're set to gain. SARMS is a better option for you given that you've not experienced in taking PEDs. I can personally vouch for RAD140 and Ostarine. If you choose NOT to use SARMS, I'd go for Anavar or OC (Turanibol), which is a lot safer than Dianabol. Those with your test base...Classic.

I'll share my first ever cycle with you. The results were incredible.
In short: Cycle length 12 weeks
Test Enanthate 250mg/Once a week (Slow acting ester) 12 weeks
Test Prop 300mg/wk EOD (Faster acting ester) 12 weeks
Anavar 40mg per day-Can push to 60mg towards middle of cycle (8 Weeks)
RAD140 10mg per day-No need to go over 10mg per day (8 Weeks)

JJ1234 wrote: Hi, I am a 21 year old male 22 this year. I weigh about 75-76kg at the moment. I am around 1.86m. Been working out for 3 years now 2 of those 5-6 days per week with around 1-2 hours weight training per session.

Now for the question.
I have bad genetics for muscle. When I started I was same length but weighed around 62kg. I avoid the advice from gym goers and do my own research most of the time. A long time friend of mine recommended cyp 250 with naplins but I see that "naplins" Anapolon is very bad news for a beginner.

So I want to find out from you guys will the beginner lean mass cycle be a good choice for me currently? With the schedule on this site? I am open to advice and suggestions because I don't trust the "bro's" even though they dont appear to have side effects.

Cycle:
6x LP Oral Primobolan (20mg x 50)
4x LP Proviron (20mg x 50)

PCT:
1x LP Clomid (50mg x 15)
1x LP Nolvadex (20mg x 30)

bud first off, i dont believe you have bad genetics for muscle growth, 62 to 76kgs in 3 years is damned good going.

i would love to see the other factors like your training and diet and sleep and recovery patterns before you would even consider a cycle.

i think you will be disappointed with running an oral cycle. you can get away with the bare minimum in terms of testosterone dosing and make insane gains.

i honestly think for the first 2 to 3 cycles of your life you need more than 250- 500mg of some form of testosterone. adding more is not necessary at this stage of your life.

Empire wrote:

JJ1234 wrote: i honestly think for the first 2 to 3 cycles of your life you need more than 250- 500mg of some form of testosterone. adding more is not necessary at this stage of your life.

Hi Empire
You still generally feel this way for most ped beginners?
You wouldn't maybe opt for some mild sarm cycles? Or maybe mhr?

RedHulk wrote: JJ if I may jump in here bud..my advice is stick to what works. Have a good Test Base with any cycle especially when doing orals.
Best yet when doing your first ever cycle, just do test and nothing else. This will allow you to assess how your body reacts to one compound. Couple that with a good eating plan and a training plan from hell and you're set to gain. SARMS is a better option for you given that you've not experienced in taking PEDs. I can personally vouch for RAD140 and Ostarine. If you choose NOT to use SARMS, I'd go for Anavar or OC (Turanibol), which is a lot safer than Dianabol. Those with your test base...Classic.

I'll share my first ever cycle with you. The results were incredible.
In short: Cycle length 12 weeks
Test Enanthate 250mg/Once a week (Slow acting ester) 12 weeks
Test Prop 300mg/wk EOD (Faster acting ester) 12 weeks
Anavar 40mg per day-Can push to 60mg towards middle of cycle (8 Weeks)
RAD140 10mg per day-No need to go over 10mg per day (8 Weeks)

Aw man the advice was so good until you added the test prop. :dry: I always advise first time users to go with Test Cyp or En because you only need to inject twice a week, instead of the prop which is EOD and that's a lot for a new user. Also the shorter length of the Propionate ester provides for more unstable test levels which tends to cause more side effects, whereas the first time user is trying to sus out how their body reacts to the actual test.