First Cycle

Hey guys,

Hope all is well.

What do you think of dbol only as a first cycle? :lol: Just kidding, seemed like the standard first question on a "first cycle" thread.

So I started a course of test c @ 250mg/week + primo e @ 200mg/week. Doses split into twice a week shots.

Now, I've got some proviron which I was thinking would be sufficient enough to prevent any estrogenic sides? Obviously we wouldn't want to crash e2, so I was hoping an AI wouldn't be necessary at such a low dose. But it is person dependent. I was just thinking that because my e2 levels are naturally on the lower end(judging from bloods) I'd be less likely to be a "converter". My SHBG is also quite low naturally.

I was thinking of using the lowest kinda dose of proviron, so just 25mg/day after the first week or two.

Any thoughts on this?

Thanks in advance

I’m sure this will work different for each person but I did a cycle of test C at 300mg a week with proviron at 40mg a day and Tbol at 30mg a day. My E2 from TRT was 198pmol (range is 37-184). I was already on 20mg proviron while on TRT at 150mg a week and E2 was just over high end. Felt great though.

On cycle with higher dose proviron my E2 was 262pmol, so for me personally Proviron did nothing to kee E2 at bay. Adding Arimadex at .5mg EOD for 2 weeks dropped E2 to 146pmol and felt great again.

So I’m sure each person reacts different, got a bud who does 750mg test a week with 50mg proviron and he is sitting at the high end of the range and never goes over. Personally this is why I do bloodwork when I do something new and figure out what my body likes and does with these compounds.

Estrogen is much needed for libido. I'd say use proviron as your shbg increases abit then boom, hit proviron for a month at 50mg ed and your libido will sky rocket. Only do this for a month tho to prevent shbg going too low which will cause a loss in sex drive.

No, keep your cycle as is. What week are you in?

Hey PumpSeeker, you rate Primo at 200mg is sufficient enough?

Hi all,

Thanks for the responses.

Yes I'm thinking it'll purely be dependent on my own response in terms of AI requirements(if any).

@Oupa Started yesterday actually???? Nice limp today.

@D-Man Yeah the primo is probably underdosed but then again, so is the test. Going low dose for first cycle so I progress upward. Muscle tissue can only synthesize at a certain rate regardless of how much anabolics. I agree, it's definitely low though... I can see how it goes and possibly up to 300mg?

Thanks Guys

Started yesterday with injecting?

Oupa wrote: Started yesterday with injecting?

Yes sir.

At that low dose of test I would not worry at all about an AI unless you get gyno symptoms or are very bloated. Some extra E2 is beneficial to gains.

Hey guys,

At what point would you say an AI is warranted? I'm on 300mg of test per week(split doses twice a week) and nips feeling sensitive last few days. No gyno, but can sometimes appear slightly puffy. I was considering .25mg of Arimidex once or twice a week as needed when nips are sensitive or puffy? Is my thinking off on this?

Thanks in advance

PumpSeeker wrote: Hey guys,

At what point would you say an AI is warranted? I'm on 300mg of test per week(split doses twice a week) and nips feeling sensitive last few days. No gyno, but can sometimes appear slightly puffy. I was considering .25mg of Arimidex once or twice a week as needed when nips are sensitive or puffy? Is my thinking off on this?

Thanks in advance

How long has the last few days been? more than a week?

Oupa wrote:

PumpSeeker wrote: Hey guys,

At what point would you say an AI is warranted? I'm on 300mg of test per week(split doses twice a week) and nips feeling sensitive last few days. No gyno, but can sometimes appear slightly puffy. I was considering .25mg of Arimidex once or twice a week as needed when nips are sensitive or puffy? Is my thinking off on this?

Thanks in advance

How long has the last few days been? more than a week?

The puffiness started around a week and a half a go but almost seems to come and go... maybe just different lighting/angles then? But the sensitivity hasn't been a week, maybe 4 days or so.

The puffiness could be from water retention and diet changes. If your nipples are sensitive that it really becomes annoying after a week, use your arimidex .25 twice a week.

If you can, get Aromasin 5mg from LP and use that for estrogen maintenance throughout your cycle.

Oupa wrote: The puffiness could be from water retention and diet changes. If your nipples are sensitive that it really becomes annoying after a week, use your arimidex .25 twice a week.

If you can, get Aromasin 5mg from LP and use that for estrogen maintenance throughout your cycle.

Awesome, thanks for the advice Oupa!

Ended up holding off on the Arimidex, and glad I did because the sensitivity subsided after a couple days. No real noticeable puffiness either. May have been a temporary reaction to upping dose from 250 to 300mg so possibly my body could have just "self-regulated" the estrogen better after an adjustment period. There's also the possibility, like Oupa mentioned, the puffiness could have been diet related.

Howsit Pumpseeker, a simple E2 blood test will show you where your estrogen is sitting.

Hey guys,

Hope you're all well.

Just thought I'd log my overall feelings/notes from the first cycle that's just ended(starting hcg soon).

So the first note I made from the cycle is that about 3-4 days after my first pin, I felt like an absolute truck :lol: It felt as though if a car hit me, I'd damage the car hahaha. I thought that it would feel like that for the whole cycle and got excited, but that feeling definitely faded after a week or two and I felt like 10% above normal, is the best way to describe it.

In terms of results, I ended up gaining around 7kg at a similar bodyfat, so I was very pleased considering the doses weren't high.

Most of the cycle was 200mg Primo & 250mg test but I upped to 300mg each in the last 6 weeks or so. I did end up using 0.15mg Adex twice a week, which I'm glad I did because I felt better and libido improved on it as well.

I'm planning to do my PCT and do the "time on=time off" so looking to maintain weight until around middle of the year depending on how the pandemic plays out. Then I'll start again.

I've currently been considering 300mg test with 200mg EQ for the 2nd cycle. Any feedback would be appreciated. How is the volumisation effect of EQ in comparison to test? I see their anabolic/androgenic ratios are the same but obviously EQ has less aromatisation.

PumpSeeker wrote: Hey guys,

Hope you're all well.

Just thought I'd log my overall feelings/notes from the first cycle that's just ended(starting hcg soon).

So the first note I made from the cycle is that about 3-4 days after my first pin, I felt like an absolute truck :lol: It felt as though if a car hit me, I'd damage the car hahaha. I thought that it would feel like that for the whole cycle and got excited, but that feeling definitely faded after a week or two and I felt like 10% above normal, is the best way to describe it.

In terms of results, I ended up gaining around 7kg at a similar bodyfat, so I was very pleased considering the doses weren't high.

Most of the cycle was 200mg Primo & 250mg test but I upped to 300mg each in the last 6 weeks or so. I did end up using 0.15mg Adex twice a week, which I'm glad I did because I felt better and libido improved on it as well.

I'm planning to do my PCT and do the "time on=time off" so looking to maintain weight until around middle of the year depending on how the pandemic plays out. Then I'll start again.

I've currently been considering 300mg test with 200mg EQ for the 2nd cycle. Any feedback would be appreciated. How is the volumisation effect of EQ in comparison to test? I see their anabolic/androgenic ratios are the same but obviously EQ has less aromatisation.

Sounds like you got nice results at safe dosing levels.

EQ is very suppressive, and it would require a longer cycle - above 10 weeks easily, closer to 15+.
If you are on TRT already, EQ would make a lot more sense.
Similar argument for deca as above.

Why not try something fast acting, orals?

MPhilosopher wrote:

PumpSeeker wrote: Hey guys,

Hope you're all well.

Just thought I'd log my overall feelings/notes from the first cycle that's just ended(starting hcg soon).

So the first note I made from the cycle is that about 3-4 days after my first pin, I felt like an absolute truck :lol: It felt as though if a car hit me, I'd damage the car hahaha. I thought that it would feel like that for the whole cycle and got excited, but that feeling definitely faded after a week or two and I felt like 10% above normal, is the best way to describe it.

In terms of results, I ended up gaining around 7kg at a similar bodyfat, so I was very pleased considering the doses weren't high.

Most of the cycle was 200mg Primo & 250mg test but I upped to 300mg each in the last 6 weeks or so. I did end up using 0.15mg Adex twice a week, which I'm glad I did because I felt better and libido improved on it as well.

I'm planning to do my PCT and do the "time on=time off" so looking to maintain weight until around middle of the year depending on how the pandemic plays out. Then I'll start again.

I've currently been considering 300mg test with 200mg EQ for the 2nd cycle. Any feedback would be appreciated. How is the volumisation effect of EQ in comparison to test? I see their anabolic/androgenic ratios are the same but obviously EQ has less aromatisation.

Sounds like you got nice results at safe dosing levels.

EQ is very suppressive, and it would require a longer cycle - above 10 weeks easily, closer to 15+.
If you are on TRT already, EQ would make a lot more sense.
Similar argument for deca as above.

Why not try something fast acting, orals?

Hey MP,

Yeah unfortunately EQ seems to require maximal cycle durations... I did 14 weeks in 1st cycle... so depending on how the year goes I could look to do 14-16 weeks next time and incorporate EQ but otherwise I can try something else. I wouldnt be against running primo again.. I did enjoy it.

For orals, I actually did end up using Tbol for around 6 weeks of the cycle took around a week break in between when away. Dosed at 30mg/day. I didn't really see much "size/volumising" effect, just felt considerably stronger. Anapolan sounds great from a volumization standpoint but not so good when looking at sides :silly: