GYNO PROHIBITING ME FROM GOING BIG

Hi everyone. This is my first post so forgive me if I miss anything. I am 26, 105kg, 180cm and probably around 15% bodyfat. I have been lifting seriously for about 3-4 years now and have some experience with AAS.

When I dose anything that aromatases to E at a mild dosage, I get itchy nipples like crazy. I then have to run Nolva at high dose to get rid of it. Luckily no visible gyno yet.

Obviously I don't want to use SERMS all the time, as it has it's own health implications. So all my cycles have been low to mild doses.

I was thinking of running HGH as a way around not being able to cycle proper doses of AAS.

But apparently HGH can also cause gyno. So the gyno is blocking me in terms of my enhancement options.

Any suggestions?

TheTrain wrote: Hi everyone. This is my first post so forgive me if I miss anything. I am 26, 105kg, 180cm and probably around 15% bodyfat. I have been lifting seriously for about 3-4 years now and have some experience with AAS.

When I dose anything that aromatases to E at a mild dosage, I get itchy nipples like crazy. I then have to run Nolva at high dose to get rid of it. Luckily no visible gyno yet.

Obviously I don't want to use SERMS all the time, as it has it's own health implications. So all my cycles have been low to mild doses.

I was thinking of running HGH as a way around not being able to cycle proper doses of AAS.

But apparently HGH can also cause gyno. So the gyno is blocking me in terms of my enhancement options.

Any suggestions?

Why not use an aromatase inhibitor? Anastrozole?

I have used anastrazole in the past. Had to run high doses for it to be effective and figured it wasn't too healthy. I thought of using a Nolva & anastrozole combo, hoping that it will allow me to reduce dosages.

Try a low dose of Aromasin 5mg EOD, Liquid Pharmaceuticals make this product. What are you cycling and what is your dose? Side note your bf is high that is why you are coverting alot to estrogen.

Currently cutting with Test E 400mg per week and Mast E 200 mg per week. Also using 30 mg of Winstrol per day. 5kg down already and will probably drop another 5kg and then assess. Just got off a couple of bulking months. Also, I have experienced this issue at a much lower bf %.

Will definitely try the Aromasin and give feedback on this thread. Hoping it will work better than anastrozole.

TheTrain wrote: I have used anastrazole in the past. Had to run high doses for it to be effective and figured it wasn't too healthy. I thought of using a Nolva & anastrozole combo, hoping that it will allow me to reduce dosages.

No anastrozole is alright.
As long as you are not crashing E2, it is not a hazard to your health.
How much did you need? 0.5mg EOD is not unheard of in certain medical settings.

Nolva is almost pointless as a prophylactic agent, you are not preventing E2 conversion at all.

@MPhilosopher, I was using 0.5mg per day and still struggling. The Nolva helps with the itching but obviously only treats the symptom and not the cause. I know anastrozole can have a detrimental effect on cholesterol. Given all the other direct and indirect effects AAS has on the heart, I don't want to add to the problem with spiking cholesterol.

TheTrain wrote: @MPhilosopher, I was using 0.5mg per day and still struggling. The Nolva helps with the itching but obviously only treats the symptom and not the cause. I know anastrozole can have a detrimental effect on cholesterol. Given all the other direct and indirect effects AAS has on the heart, I don't want to add to the problem with spiking cholesterol.

If you were using pharmaceutical anastrozole, then you could consider adding or switching to exemestane.

If it was UGL, try liquid-pharma or pharmaceutical grade.

Maybe also look at dropping your test dose to 300mg per week. What Arimidex are you using and how many times a week are you injecting? You using alot of Arimidex, a blood test will be a good starting point, check your E2 and prolactin.

It was UGL, so maybe a bunk product. Will try Liquid pharma. Thanks!

Hi Train,

I'm quite sensitive to test, anything over 180mg a week and estrogen sides kick in with a vengeance, especially gyno, even at 10ish % bodyfat.

To give you an idea, on 450mg test e/week, I need 20mg aromasin a day and the occasional 10mg on top of that from time to time. Even at 20-30mg/day e2 is at the top of the range based on bloodwork. Highly individual though.

I'm experimenting with starting with a lower dosage and increasing over a few weeks to get to the desired mg/week. It seems that my body responds much better to the gradual increase vs just going full blast from the start. I'm also doing daily, lower volume SQ injections. So far so good.

So I'm not the only one experiencing a high tolerance to AI's. I'm going to lower my test and rather focus on using the other compounds to maximum effect. I assume you have this problem when using Dbol as well?

TheTrain a blood test will go a long way and elevate guessing. Good luck

Thanks Nos. Want to get a full check-up done in Feb. Cholesterol, BP, hormone level, liver enzymes etc. Will have them check E2 and T levels as well.

I got gyno really quickly when I tried HGH a few months back.
For my test cycles I pin much more frequently at lower dosages in the hopes that I dont get spikes and therefore less chance of aromatization.
Running around 550 test a week, no AI

I get no gyno what so ever from GH, and I've yet to meet someone more prone to gyno than me. Maybe you were injecting HCG.

I was as surprised as anyone.
I also think I had some gout related to the HGH.
Never had before, never had after i stopped.

I got a hard lump pretty quickly, stopped the HGH, continued my Test and used Nolva for a few weeks.
Lump gone. Im pretty disappointed as I still have quite alot left and it was not cheap.
I was taking low dosages as well, between 3 and 4 iu

Interesting, maybe it was the cherry on top. If you controlled your e2 on cycle you probably could have used it with no problem, try it next time. What GH was it?

UPA Platinum Series
I got the gout first time I used it. Stopped for about 2 weeks, thought it is coincidental and jumped on again, gout came back quickly and then i got the gyno.

I might use a mild AI and give it a bash next cycle, but reckon I am going to play this one without it. Really weird though

Hi gents,

Just some feedback. I dropped the Test to 250 per week and dropped another 3kg in fat and water. I added in Arimidex as well.

Estrogen problems have subsided. Sitting just above 100kg and getting really vascular. Glad there are no obvious lumps at the lower bf%. Hopefully it stays this way once I go below 10%. Getting a personal trainer to do some measurements in Feb. Thanks for the feedback gentlemen!