UPA PRIMO OR HD PRIMO ???

Hows it everyone. 

so this is a question i have for people that have used both upa and hd primo.
my gf wants to do a cycle of primo, as a brand ive used both upa and hd before and had decent results with both...

how ever when it comes to primo Im a bit skeptical. I personally have done it a while back but it was the PGW and obviously now they no longer around.

so my question is, Is upa or hd primo legit ? As in legitmate primobolan. Im not bashing or accusing either brand. Ive heard that alot of primo is faked or is actually test prop ect and as a guy i wouldnt mind taking the chance...

however for my chic its a different case scenario. I adviced her against taking it for that reason but she is adamant on trying it. Shes previously done anavar with clen cycles before so this isnt her first cycle.
So before she orders it and actually injects it. I just want some advice so i can speak to her about it..Are either legitmate primo ? 
we also have access to eu pharma and nova labs primo as well but havent tried either of their stuff in years. 

thanks in advance

Hey broskis I have the same question..

Ive never used Primo before and im looking to get HD LABS Primo!

I’ve always used HD LABS as my Go to - orals , Test etc.. never had a problem with anything and always make gains on my cycles as my diet and training is on point!

I am choosing between HD Primo and Masteron - and I really wanna try Primo - Just not sure if I will get the real stuff from HD or not - like I said ive never had problems with HD LABS and been using them for years now!

I have used their Masteron before and it definitely was Masteron!

if any of you guys with experience can give me some advice? or maybe a different brand but would like to stick to HD as I never had a problem before..

Thanks Gs
Dukt

UPA primo is legit as my anabolic of personal choice and use these days. Pretty much the base of all my previous courses over the past 4 years

i would suggest you start your Mrs on a very low dose, 30mg per week is going to be more than enough. which is basically 15iu on an insulin syringe into a muscle once per week.

remember women make about 1mg of androgens a day, so you can get away with very low dosing, if you are worried about the long-term side effects and virilization effects, do 8 weeks on Injectable primo, 8 weeks on Clenbuterol and GH. Women can get away with growing on clenbuterol quite well, and the combo of gh and clen will give her good lean gains with out making Stephanie into Stephen.

I wanted to add something when it comes to women taking gear. It is usually the length of time on androgens that fucks things up, so its like filling a cup with water using a teaspoon, it may look like its filling up slowly but by the time its full and over flowing its too late.

So it is best to use as many non androgenic path ways as possible.

Things like clen is great for women as it does lower myostatin and allows for pure contractile tissue to be built. Growth hormone also great for pushing up igf 1 levels allowing for new tissue to be built but also causes insulin resistance which can be mitigated by the clenbuterol. Injectable l carnatine too is great for many process supported by the other 2 compounds. You could, also add in milanotan 2 to aid in improving insulin sensitivity and causing
fat Apoptosis(fat cell death) but also it drives up red blood cell count which can improve endurance when training.

Cycling between that for 8 weeks and an androgen such as anavar/primo/npp (yes npp is great for women and Nandrolone has minimal effects in small doses on virilization) for 6 weeks at low doses, which will improve body composition, improve fat mass and muscle mass etc as long as training is tailored for muscle gain and nutrition is planned to support that too.


Also a womans birth control also has a bias on nutrtion as because some are estrogen based, some are progesterone based, and some are combination pills. Also some contain androgen blockers too which also would limit muscle gain too..

Women are not little males and all their hormones are a rubix cube to deal with when it comes to 1 getting lean, 2 putting on muscle and 3 understanding that women are fucking complex, not only mentally, but physically too.

Thanks Empire. Okay cool. Her orignal plan was doing 50mg a week for 10 weeks and i told her it seems fine. But ill tell her to run 30 at 8 weeks. She was planning to cycle clen along with the primo.

We ordered upa primo. Shes starting on monday. Thanks for the advice

Women only produce aboutr 1mg-2.5mg of testosterone per week. Primo is half as androgenic as testosterone. So 50mg/week of Primo is close to 25mg a week of testosterone for androgenic side effect risks.

10x the androgens that women produce naturally. Not a fuck would I give my wife that much. 20mg-30mg is more than enough for 8 weeks for any woman who is not seriously competing. Empire is spot on about NPP. Mg for mg its a bit safer for women than primo depot and many find it more effective.

Only issue with using npp and women, being heavily active on the progesterone path way in the female body, its like dating someone who is permanently pmsing or early stages of pregnancy all the time..Nandrolone is actually a bi product of women getting pregnant and that is how it was first discovered actually. 

so yes it is less harsh androgenically but will give them puffy face and water retention very much similar to that of pregnancy. Where as primo wont. 

But 30mg for 6-8 weeks then using clen as an alternative muscle building agent will help keep her from going from stephanie to stephen and loose body fat etc 

Lex wrote:

Thanks Empire. Okay cool. Her orignal plan was doing 50mg a week for 10 weeks and i told her it seems fine. But ill tell her to run 30 at 8 weeks. She was planning to cycle clen along with the primo.
 

We ordered upa primo. Shes starting on monday. Thanks for the advice

so hear me out. Use the primo at 100kcal above maintaince for 8 weeks. Use clen with gh at 300kcal below maintenance for 8 weeks  continuously cycling like that. I promise you she will look great by the end of it.

Use primo to build the muscle/recomp. Use the clen to retain muscle and loose fat with the synergy of Gh and maybe even some t4 in the mix. 

My wife have been using Primo @ 50mg since the age of 52 and she is in her 60's. She looks fantastic and doctors tell her to keep doing what we doing.

I am not saying this will work with any woman, but this is no bullshit.

@Lex how did it go with her primo cycle?

Hey Empire,

Have you by any chance shot the UPA primo 200 subq before and if so how did the tissue handle it? I have found 100mg/ml primo in grapeseed oil to not cause any issues or pain subq. I do have experience with 200mg/ml Primo from about 4 years ago and that I was shooting IM and the Pip was brutal, I eventually had to cut the product down to 150mg/ml or 125mg/ml which as far as I can remember removed the PIP.

the question here is : why would you want to do sub q injections of primo?

i did 600mg pw of upa primo a week this year during my prep, and got 0 PIP

I inject my trt eod subq...works well for me..no worry about long term scar tissue accumulation in the muscles. Have experimented up to volumes of 0.5ml per shot. So the higher concentration the gear I could technically run a cycle within my same dosing regiment.

for example at eod dosing
250mg/ml test (0.2ml 50mg)
300mg/ml deca (0.125ml 37.5mg)
200mg/ml primo (0.175ml 35mg)

Weekly
200mg Test
150mg deca
140mg Primo

yet again i ask, why would you want to be micro dosing those compounds?

Microdosing as in getting my weekly dose in over 3 to 4 shots versus a larger bolus twice a week?

Yes, why ?

Lower peaks = less aromatization, much smaller peaks and troughs = more stable bloods, avoidance of muscular scar tissue build up and potentially bad shots that leave nasty PIP, substantially less chance of nicking or piercing vascularity...

For a low to moderate dosage of injectable anabolics, the pro's outweigh the con's imo.

Primo doesnt convert to estrogen anyway. And tanking your estrogen if using low doses of test is a real thing and that combined with the estrogen lowering capability of primo is far from a great idea.

I hear you, I guess this is where individual biochemistry comes into play...base SHBG levels, rate of aromatization, rate of glucuronidation...

So far with myself, I have found 30mg Test C, 20mg Primo injected EOD and 180iu HCG EOD, 500mg CDG x 2 and 100mg DIM to be my absolute perfect goldilocks zone. Libido actually becomes too much, spontaneous and morning wood is 10/10, mood is great.

Have been trying to raise dosages to do a little blast in similar ratio's to hopefully maintain these pro's but libido and wood keeps falling off as the "cycle" progresses....99% likely an E2 issue.

Regarding my question earlier in the thread where I asked if the UPA primo 200mg/ml gave any pip, I ended up grabbing myself a bottle to test and so far no pip!

Wel that is because male libido is driven by estrogen. Low estrogen is going to kill libido.

So you've just proven what im saying. And 90mg of testosterone per week there should be no need for dim. The hcg would be pushing up your estrogen.

So when going higher in dose, the multiple shots and higher dose of primo is tanking e2.

What is your body weight as working in ratios is a waste. Work out mgs per kg,simple.

I feel like such an idiot when I read all these posts - you are all amazing and thanks for all the valuable information you share. Not going to do much, but starting a Test E course (trt style at 125mg pw) soon. Still trying to find the best brand as there is so much conflicting information between UAP, EU, Keifei etc. but based on what I have read here, it looks like it will be UPA.

44 yo, 14%Bf, 87kg. 21.2 nmol/L Total test but just want a little bit of a boost.

I vouch fully for upa.

Thank you for your detailed answer