If you could help it would be great

Novice
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12 Jun 2009 17:15 #15558 by Novice

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Any info regarding this question would be great.

Im a newbie to all of this and was wondering about dianabol. I want to start taking a course of this, but was just curious to see your views on how much I should firstly take & secondly could i just take it by itself? Obviously eating a good diet with it. I've been lifting for about a year and a bit now, would it hamper any natural gains in the future? Your help would be great.

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Michael
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12 Jun 2009 17:19 #15560 by Michael

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What is your diet like and how old are you???

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Empire
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12 Jun 2009 17:28 #15561 by Empire

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why are u thinking about dbol? cos its cheap? if it's your first cycle go for test en and dbol.there is plenty of post up on this...and yes i'd like to see your diet cos thats where u are probably falling down.

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12 Jun 2009 17:43 #15562 by Novice

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Im 22 years old weighing in at round 77kg's. Well im getting in like roughly 2grams protein to every kg. eating round 5- 6 meals a day. When i say 6 meals it's like a big bowl of oats with whey in the morning, mid day's like a whey shake and a banana, lunch is eggs, mixed veg, brown rice, chicken, fish, whatever is going.. but a size portion. mid afternoon is more fruit or a peanut butter sandwhich or something. then it's dinner which is more eggs, fish, chicken, brown rice, mixed veg, sweet potatoes.. then a shake before bed. Criticism is welcome..

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Michael
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13 Jun 2009 09:06 #15569 by Michael

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Novice, training for a year and 22years old, i think you can still gain a bit naturally without juice. I know it is not what you want to hear but I would still push on until about 25years before starting gear.

Just my opinion

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Michael
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13 Jun 2009 09:07 #15570 by Michael

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your diet does not look to bad

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Novice
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13 Jun 2009 09:18 #15572 by Novice

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Yeah thanks for the advice. Think im going to just push it a bit and see how things go. Appreciate the help.

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dirkgreeff
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13 Jun 2009 11:34 #15579 by dirkgreeff

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Me thinks that diet needs alot of work, by just eyeing it does not work ... Ask the squirel .... his little business of telling you what to graze will benefit you in the long run

Nothing worth doing is ever easy.

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Novice!
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13 Jun 2009 17:38 #15589 by Novice!

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Ay bro get a new NAME!!! :furious

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Hustler
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13 Jun 2009 17:40 #15590 by Hustler

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Novice...
Are you taking any other supplements?

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Ralf
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13 Jun 2009 22:01 #15599 by Ralf

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I was taking about 2g of protein per kg and i was growing very slowly. I now consume 4g of protein per kg plus loads of essential fats and my size picked up very well.

I think good quality food is always your best choice for growth and you only 22 but gear did bring my recovery time down by half.

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Empire
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15 Jun 2009 11:52 #15641 by Empire

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Michael wrote:

your diet does not look to bad

bro ,that diet is not good at all,its far from enough food to grow bro...u are under eating and u should be having protein 6-7 times a day so how do u consider a peanut butter sandwich to be a protein meal? dont get it...

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Michael
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15 Jun 2009 12:22 #15643 by Michael

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djeasye, nowhere in his post did he mention the quantity and when he eats the protein, he said he eats 6-7times a day with about 2g of protein per kg bodyweight. I did not say the diet looks good either ,it is not to bad for a start.

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Empire
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15 Jun 2009 12:27 #15644 by Empire

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sorry michael i was just using your quote,not intended to dis u brother..

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Michael
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15 Jun 2009 12:48 #15650 by Michael

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no worries, you are right well said.

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shaunrsa
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17 Jun 2009 13:33 #15764 by shaunrsa

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A couple of general rules here, should be adhered to.

Namely

If you are a hard gainer, you should be consuming 2 grams of protein per POUND of body weight.Take your weight in kilos and times it by 2.2 that will give you your weight in pounds 77 x 2.2 = 169.4 (call it 170)x 2 = 340 grams of protein per day. I'll bet you are not getting anything like that amount in everyday.

Secondly, in most cases, no one under 25 should even think of doing a cycle.

Thirdly, Dbol on it's own is no where near as effective as when adding Test. Some form of Test should generally be the basis for practically all cycles, and especially your first one.

Just my few cents worth.

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Novice
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18 Jun 2009 08:11 #15824 by Novice

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So in essence eat like a beast, consume as much protein as possible and train hard. Im just taking a plain whey protein though any recommendations? Thinking about stacking it with some tribullis and zma. Any thoughts on this? Surely though just by eating a hell of a lot of the good stuff and packing in the protein, i would'nt necessarily need testo boosters.. I am 22 so would'nt my body be flowing with enough of it's own testo?

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Lesa
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18 Jun 2009 08:39 #15827 by Lesa

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With a good diet you will get great results juice or off juice

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Extreme
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18 Jun 2009 09:07 #15829 by Extreme

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new Novice you don't need juice.
At 22 you you still have plently natural test in your body, eat properly and you'll grow naturally.
It takes time so be patient.
You can take tribulllis and ZMA.
Just remember, diet = 80%; sleep=10%; training=5% & juice=5%.
If you diet is right you'll get the results.

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shaunrsa
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18 Jun 2009 09:13 #15831 by shaunrsa

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Novice wrote:

So in essence eat like a beast, consume as much protein as possible and train hard. Im just taking a plain whey protein though any recommendations? Thinking about stacking it with some tribullis and zma. Any thoughts on this? Surely though just by eating a hell of a lot of the good stuff and packing in the protein, i would'nt necessarily need testo boosters.. I am 22 so would'nt my body be flowing with enough of it's own testo?

That's EXACTLY why I say in most cases you shouldn't do juice until you have been training for at least 5 years, and not before the age of 25. You'll still be pumping natural juice, big time, until that age.

Tribilis and zma will enhance natural Test, but not sure if it's worth it at your age.

I would probably spend my money on a good mass building protein supp, creatine, fish oils, and maybe even some glutamine.

And then of course:

EAT BIG
LIFT BIG
GROW BIG

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18 Jun 2009 11:58 #15866 by Novice

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Thanks for the advice...

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Empire
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18 Jun 2009 11:59 #15868 by Empire

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shaunrsa is right on the money,but u cant grow big and lift big if u dont eat big..

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