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17 Jun 2009 11:13 #15750 by Mr_SA
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Hey Guys

Is there anything else you could recommend to compensate dianabol regarding front loading for a course of Test Cyp?

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17 Jun 2009 11:42 #15754 by Lesa
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You could frontload with Anavar or winstrol ( these are better to use in the last 4 weeks of your cycle though) but also if you dont want orals you could use test propionate. This is what i wanted to do at first do a cycle of cypionate and front load with test prop but then Netro advised me to go sustanon instead. So if I was you i would go Sustanon and in the first week double your dose as a frontload.

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17 Jun 2009 11:48 #15755 by Empire
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i would front load with test prop or even t-bol bro.... this would work very well...

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17 Jun 2009 13:56 #15767 by Mr_SA
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Which would work better? T-Bol or Test Prop?
Is there any issues with mixing Test Prop and Test Cyp together?
What is the main difference between test prop and test cyp?

Thanks for the help so far!

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17 Jun 2009 14:05 #15775 by Empire
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well tbol would be good....

the difference between the prop and cyp is the half life,the longer the half life the more the substance aromatises and causes water retention...test prop is in the system for 2 days and cyp is in your system for 12-14 days. so the one will cause more water retention than the other..

no issue mixing the two together the thing is u will need to inject prop every second day.

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17 Jun 2009 14:42 #15782 by Lesa
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Any specific reason you avoiding dbol for your frontload? I am cause of hair loss sides but unless you have those or prostate related issues dunno why would you want something else. After extensive research on sustanon i came to a conclusion that mixing test prop and cypionate is inferior to sust testostorone esther combination, its supposed to give you less water and better performance than any of the 4 esthers alone. So what you could do is go sustanon 500 mgs per week and hit 1000 mgs first week.

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17 Jun 2009 14:49 #15783 by Mr_SA
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Thanks Lesa

The last time i took DBol, i came out with pimples on my shoulders and back, and i am trying everything i can not to have a repeat of this.
I am presuming that the DBol was the cause in my last cycle.

Sust would also be one of those substances that would bring pimples out, Big Time!

The pimples is the ONLy side i am trying to get as far away from as possible!

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17 Jun 2009 15:02 #15784 by Empire
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bro how do u come to that conclusion? when using a testosterone u should look at the half life,and devide it by 2 and thats how often u should be injecting it. so test prop should be injected every day to keep the blood levels constant. now inorder to get the full effectiveness out of sust that means that u are supposed to be injecting is every day or every second day in order to get the full effect of the short esters.

now look at this, say u are injecting sust every 3rd day so max 3 times a week so u getting in 750mg a week. now if u where to follow say 600mg of test enanthate and eod injections of prop u will be getting in on an average week 900mg,some weeks a 1000mg of test and u there u are utilizing the full effect of the proprionate ester. and i can tell u now that u will be saving alot of money doing it with prop and enanthate/cyp than going for 3-4 sust injections a week and the added amount of test will produce better gains...

so i would love to know how u suggest that sust will produce better results than combining long ester and short ester tests in your own blend bro...

oh and william lewellyn says that u should inject something at a rate of half the half life of the shortest ester in the mix. so if u are taking a substance that has a deconate and a proprionate ester in the same mix(such as sust) u look at the shortest ester being proprionate,u see the hald life of 48hours u devide that by 2 and thats how long u should wait between injections....but what does he know?

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17 Jun 2009 15:04 #15785 by Empire
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get hold of an antibiotic from your doc called tetralysil...that should sort u out...

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17 Jun 2009 15:10 #15786 by Mr_SA
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djeasye wrote:

get hold of an antibiotic from your doc called tetralysil...that should sort u out...

Thanks for the advice DJ, the thing is that i never go to the doc, and i dont know one.
I hence only even have a hospital plan for my medical aid.

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17 Jun 2009 15:17 #15787 by Empire
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yellow pages,general practitioner... there u go...problem solved...

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17 Jun 2009 16:20 #15792 by shaunrsa
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The test prop in Sust is only 30mg per ml. Hardly seems worth it.
Seems better to just use Test Prop if you want to go with the short esters

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17 Jun 2009 23:15 #15814 by Lesa
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I came to the concluison by reading on the net bro which followed from Netro's advice to not waiste time by mixing cypionate and prop. Sustanon, milligram for milligram, has a better effect than Test enanthate, cypionate, and propionate alone. Second, the effect of the four testosterones is time-released in such way that Sustanon goes quickly into the system and remains effective for several weeks. Because of Prop, Sust is effective after one day and, and if you inject it twice per week its fine.

Athletes report a solid muscle growth compared to other esthers alone since it results in less water retention and aromatizes less than Testosterone Enanthate or Cypionate. Also balls for injecting eod prop some of us dont like having dart board asses at all and could care less for constant injecting.No offense bro but only quality sust is expensive and quality costs money, thats why u using Kefei instead of Humatrope :).

Maybe im wrong :P but just the fact that i wont have to have 1 million injections makes me smile.

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18 Jun 2009 07:31 #15816 by Empire
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your opinion bro but i would rather go for the prop enanthate mix personally,u get used to the 1million injections,its like opening presents every day :)

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