Staying anabolic while off a cycle

Hi

What would one suggest if the best way to stay anabolic off a cycle?

Using either Proviron or Clen?

What dose of Proviron, clen is body dependant.

hmm I sometimes use clen.

Wont GABA/ZMA help ?

ZMA, BCAA's, glutamine, lots of multi's and lots of protein
clen will certainly help due to it's strong anti-catabolic effects

Yes, all those substances would, but i'm talking proviron or clen...

I like the clen personally

clen

proviron is best at reducing estrogen levels, thus making you harder, so for pct usage the proviron is probably best.
but just for the sake of staying anabolic when you're off a cycle the clen is best

I just don't like feeling otherwise, shakes, etc...

I just like feeling normal. thats why i dont drink or smoke or do drugs (exluding juice of course)

Jayman wrote:

proviron is best at reducing estrogen levels, thus making you harder, so for pct usage the proviron is probably best.
but just for the sake of staying anabolic when you're off a cycle the clen is best

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the point of a PCT to get your balls back and get your hormones back to balance. So if you are taking compounds to eliminate oestrogen during your cycle then why do you want to reduce your oestrogen levels during PCT with proviron?

hehe.. good point...

proviron isn't very effective at estrogen control and on its own not very good at all... but its very anabolic...

but you right, i would never touch proviron in my pct.... it will hinder your natrual testosterone.

proviron is very effective at reducing the aromatisation of test, and there is no proof of it shutting you down at all

hmm, just read somewhere now that it has no anabolic properties.... intresting, allways thought it did.

only a androgenic steroid.

Jayman you got some reading to do

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed

It def shuts down your test production, but it does release testosterone that is bound to SHBG ( free test )

so its a way on and off... advised, don't use as pct...

the problem is there is to many stories that contradict each other... half the findings say its safe others say its not...

so guess only way is lets test it and do our own blood work..... i'll try it end of the cycle during pct and post my results

sorry about that bro,
all this contradicting info, I guess as you said the only real way to know how you personally respond is by trial and error

00pump, u contradict yourself. First you say you will never touch proviron pct but now you are saying you are going to try it :hmm

Also the info I pasted is with very high doses 400mg a day... and we wouldn't use near that... Once again only way to cut the bullshit is done our own trials...

Anyone want to sponsor this? i'll stay in bed and you feed me proviron

Beesting wrote:

00pump, u contradict yourself. First you say you will never touch proviron pct but now you are saying you are going to try it :hmm

I would never, but reading to much stuff to contradict the other... Only way to know for sure is to try it....

Oki dokie

I'm sure doctari suggests using proviron during pct ???

Proviron will harden you up nicely after the cycle but rather do the PCT after the proviron. The proviron itself is a potent androgen (binds far stronger than test) and as such it will shut you down, negating the effect of PCT. You will crash afterwards... Cycle, then harden if you want, then PCT.

P.S.
Guys, most compounds used for PCT (SERMs and A.I.'s) act as PCT compounds by reducing total estrogen or making the body think there is no estrogen. In this case the point of PCT is to lower (or pseudo lower) estrogen... The lowered estrogen means the body will want to make more, which it needs testosterone for. It makes more testosterone, and this makes more estrogen. Hormones restored.

Inja wrote:

Proviron will harden you up nicely after the cycle but rather do the PCT after the proviron. The proviron itself is a potent androgen (binds far stronger than test) and as such it will shut you down, negating the effect of PCT. You will crash afterwards... Cycle, then harden if you want, then PCT.

P.S.
Guys, most compounds used for PCT (SERMs and A.I.'s) act as PCT compounds by reducing total estrogen or making the body think there is no estrogen. In this case the point of PCT is to lower (or pseudo lower) estrogen... The lowered estrogen means the body will want to make more, which it needs testosterone for. It makes more testosterone, and this makes more estrogen. Hormones restored.

amen