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jinjahead
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27 Mar 2008 14:14 #2205 by jinjahead

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Yo Netro, you seem like a very wise man.what and how do you get all your information from?? I think the snr guys must make a list of links for the beginners regarding " starting juice". I do loads of reading, but still feel to much of the info is contradicting on the net. Thanks,

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Netro
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27 Mar 2008 14:25 #2206 by Netro

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Hi Jinja,
Experience is one of the main contributors (mine and others) as well as research. If you have questions about things that confuse you then just post them bro. I must say it's not rocket science and you will soon see what is good practice and what not. The basics are fundamental and as long as your foundation (diet, training etc) are in-line you can make huge gains naturally. It is very difficult to post standard links as information comes from an array of sources and the links would be endless, so do some reading in these pages as I think this is probably the most comprehensive source for bb compounds and information around them, that is on one domain.

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jinjahead
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27 Mar 2008 14:46 #2207 by jinjahead

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Shot Netro, thanx for da advise

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27 Mar 2008 16:31 #2213 by admin

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jinjahead, also look at the ebooks in our download section.

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28 Mar 2008 10:01 #2234 by jinjahead

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Thanx Admin, I downloaded the Laymans guide by Mick Hart yesterday, and actualy missed my workout session last nite, because I was so hooked on all the reading. I finished the book, and understand loads more on the topic. I have also downloaded other titles wich I will read in course of the day. The more I read, the more interesting it becomes. Thanx for that!!!

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03 Apr 2008 21:59 #2417 by widdle

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netro, its been 2 weeks now and very frustrating... mxit's diet does nothing for me. the b12, bco cocktail hav worked wonders 4 my appetite, but the diet along with the proteins arent showing results. ive been lifting heavy i.e. can push only about 4-5 reps per set with the last 2 being very difficult. no gains so far. i need to beat my metabolism, either slow it down (how?) or get more calories in (how?)

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Netro
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04 Apr 2008 09:50 #2434 by Netro

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Widdle, 2 weeks is a little short to judge by, non the less, have a look at the nutrition thread doc etc wrote and work out your maintenance calories and see what suggestions they have when it comes to bulking etc. The most important aspect of training is to really focus on the body part you are training, try slowing the reps down and see if you can still manage the same amount of reps, get your form right and focus on that. You must feel the muscle group burn in your exercises and by this you know your are targetting the correct muscles. Also look at alternating carbs and protein, but that is discussed in the nutritin thread. Just run me through your post and pre workout meals and maybe there is a gap there.

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04 Apr 2008 13:01 #2441 by dirkgreeff

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widdle c'mon man, did you gain all ur weight in 2wks? No you did not ... you adjust your calories by 250 up or down per week to see which qty of calories suits youre goals. Its not gonna happen overnight. Youre body has to adjust to alot of factors ... just be patient and enjouy the ride. You have to pay school fees thats just the way it is.

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Maximus
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29 Apr 2008 10:29 #3044 by Maximus

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hi fellas,
how long does it usualy take for d-bol to kick in at say 20mg per day?

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Netro
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29 Apr 2008 10:47 #3047 by Netro

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A few days and maybe even up to a week, 20mg p/d is a little low and what are your stats?
At that dose I hope you are taking 5mg per dose and spacing out evenly

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29 Apr 2008 12:16 #3050 by Maximus

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Yes, I've been taking the 5mg BD tabs evenly spaced out on 400mg Test cyp. per week. It's week three now and I hadn't been feeling them until this morning. Three weeks, is this normal or just a realy good training day.

My specs are 80kg, body fat fluctuates between 8.2 (when I clean up my diet) and 12.1 (when it gets dirty). I'm about 5.7ft or so.

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29 Apr 2008 12:34 #3051 by Netro

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Have you been taking kessar along side the d-bols?

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Maximus
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29 Apr 2008 12:40 #3052 by Maximus

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Yes, for the 1st 2 weeks I took 20mg kessar twice a day (I'm very prone to swelling of the nipples and accumulation of fat at the hips) but now only 20mg per day.

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Netro
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29 Apr 2008 12:48 #3055 by Netro

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Well there is your problem. D-bol is a mass drug and taking kessar makes it very ineffective if taken with the d-bols each day, it suppresses your gains big time. Rather use when necessary. Stop the kessar and up the dose to 30 mg p/d, you will soon see the difference.

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29 Apr 2008 12:51 #3056 by Netro

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Also, 40mg p/d kessar is a waste with your stats. I would have only used the kessar if gyno was present or felt like it was coming and only 10mg p/d in that case, 3 - 4 days of that should help, if not up to 20 mg p/d. Fat build up is due to diet not drugs, the AAS will only cause water retention and this will go during PCT when you use your anti-e's.

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Maximus
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29 Apr 2008 13:01 #3057 by Maximus

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This rings truth. I have missed my kessar for three days and this may be the explaination for this mornings awsome training. THANKs A MIL!! Think I'll lay off the kessar until pct and up that dose. Thanks again man, much apreciated.

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29 Apr 2008 13:07 #3058 by Maximus

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One more question, please. After 5 weeks on d-bol and test cyp would it be safe, beneficial and advisable to continue the test for another 5 weeks (perhaps with a shorter acting ester) and stanozolol?

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Netro
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29 Apr 2008 13:25 #3060 by Netro

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Cyp takes 4 -5 weeks to become effective and blood levels stabilize. I would runn it to 8 weeks and the d-bol only 4 weeks. Winny is toxic and with the d-bol frontload I would not advise the injectable. Rather use proviron last 2 weeks if you looking to drop water and harden up. You could run winny oral for the last 2 weeks at 0.2mg per kg of body weight to make the cyp a little more effective then, but that again is a toxic oral. So looking at 80 kg x 0.2 = 1,5 tabs per day (that's 10 mg tabs). Funds allowing I would say Proviron at 50 - 100mg per day last 2 or so weeks. After PCT I would use clen or kyno to stay anabolic and hang onto those gains, actually you can use kyno straight after your last shot and as part of your PCT. Many options, but most are depending on how thick your wallet is.

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Maximus
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29 Apr 2008 13:41 #3062 by Maximus

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Yes, the wallet does have a huge bearing on things. I used proviron in my last cycle (test only) but at R240 for 20 tabs it is a sting. I may opt for the 2 weeks winny and the clen sounds interesting, I thought it was only used as a fat burner. I'd like to run the test for longer but Depotrone is gone; PGW testen maybe?

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Netro
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29 Apr 2008 14:22 #3066 by Netro

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Nomad makes cypionate (Cyp250) at 250 mg/ml, same as depo (active ingredient) so use that. Testen is the enanthate and for all arguments very similar to cypionate and you would not even know the difference. You started cyp so continue with it. Why did you not add deca in there?
You are also paying too much for your proviron.
Clen is a fat burner, but when you use it with ketotifen it will give you an appetite and perfect for a mass cycle or PCT add in.

See if your supplier can get you more cypionate, should go for no more than R 200 or he is ripping you off. Let me know if you don't come right.

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30 Apr 2008 12:17 #3081 by Maximus

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My supplier def won't be able to get me Nomad cyp, (he's a pharmacist). This is also the reason for the high priced provirn and deca (R960 for 6 50mg amps).So thus far I have only been able to get the 'over the counter' compounds; depo, deca, primobolan, ect. The depotrone was priced well at R160 but with the shortage now I'm pretty stuffed.

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Netro
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30 Apr 2008 12:35 #3083 by Netro

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No Bro, 50 mg deca and you want to take 350 mg p/w, that's 7ml of oil. Mail me on EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED and I will point you in the right direction. This is why I get so upset, the ridiculous prices (not that your buddy is doing you in if that's the medical price), but most guys are on a budget and they only have access to one supplier who is 10th down the line from the dude who lands the stuff and after all the mark up's you pay close on 7 tomes what the product was landed for. What this does to people on budgets is makes them not take important parts of their cycle like anti-e's and correct PCT compounds.

Annoying, but help is just over the horizon ......

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