Lean Bulk

Did some research and tried my best to put together a bulk cycle with quality lean gains
Please let me know what you think of it and where it is lacking etc.

Thanks in advance

Week 1-4
D-bol 30mg/day

Week 1- 6
Testen 300mg/week
Nandro-Prop 150/week
Nolvadex 40mg/day

Week 5 and 6
Winstrol-orals 50mg/day

PCT
Week 6-8
Pregnyl 1500iu/week
Clomid 25mg/day

Questions
Should I wait 2 weeks after last pin before starting PCT?
Pregnyl dosage..500iu a week or 1500iu?(not sure how effective it is,never used it before)
I read somewhere that Clomid should be used for 5 days followed by a 5 day break and then for another 5 days...Why is this? Should I do this?


Thanks again

If a good diet is going to accompany your use and your training is up there it'll be a nice little cycle.

On my last PCT was great. Waited 2 weeks after last shot. And start using kessar from the last day and the wait 2 weeks. Then start with 100mh Clomid ED x5 and the 50mg ED x 5. The also start taking 500iu pin of HCG E2-3D (opinions vary)

Hopes this makes sense for this time of night when I should be sleeping and walking up at 4:30 to go to gym.

The Testen at 6 weeks is not the best idea. You kickstart with the Dbol which is fine but then by the time the long ester kick is working you are getting off the cycle. In this instance either extend your cycle by 4-6 weeks or use short esters instead. Test prop for instance for six weeks (week 1-6) will start working from the get go, and then you wont need the Dbol either. So instead of doing 210mg Dbol a week and 300mg testen a week you could do 100mg Test prop EOD. If you could get more winnie and run it longer in your cycle that would be good too. If you don't have experience with these compounds though and haven't done alot of cycles in the past then you could leave the winnie out completely, or just see what it does for you in the last two weeks as you originally planned. Up to you.

HCG and clomid look ok. I would prefer to put the tamoxifen into the PCT though instead of running it on cycle. I don't know if you are running it for gyno or water??? If the latter is true an A.I. is a better option. I find tamoxifen doesn't do much for water retention. In this case run the A.I. throughout the cycle and throw in 4-6 weeks of tamoxifen post cycle.

Someone will probably say something silly about Nadro-prop and Tamoxifen but whatever :roll

have to agree with Inja, extend the cycle or switch to test prop.

I also find tamoxifen does nothing for water, I can't see how it can? as Inja said use an A.I at very low dose...

Also, people say use tamoxifen through out your cycles... clomid/tamoxifen are both very toxic substances and I wouldn't advise running right through a cycle... I feel the affects just using them during PCT...

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"Tamoxifen is toxic to the liver, and there have been reports of acute hepatitis in patients treated with tamoxifen. Liver damage has occurred in every animal given tamoxifen. According to Gary Williams, medical director of the American Heart Foundation, tamoxifen has been shown in animal studies to be a "rip-roaring" liver carcinogen, inducing highly aggressive cancers in about 12 per cent of rats. (7)

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PS: Please use a liver detoxifer when using this as harmless as you may think it is not!

Is it just me or does Tamoxifen really make ones eyes blurry?!?

It can be a potent carcinogen as well. It binds and alters DNA creating mutation that in the right setting may aggravate tumourogenesis.

Ok thanks for the responses...
the nolva is for water...what would you recommend and what dosage?

so i kick out the dbol and testen and throw in test prop 100mg/eod?

The idea of the winny is to harden up a drop further water before PCT...what else could i use to achieve this?

nolva in my personal experience does not help with water at all... only an AI can and a duiretic.

@ HulkMan :
Yes, rather use Test Prop.

Revise your cycle and post it up here again, and see if any other changes are needed.

Revised cycle

Week 1- 6

Testosterone Propionate - 100mg/eod
Nandrolone Phenylpropionate - 150mg/week
Letrozole 0.1mg/day (for water)

Week 5-8
Winstrol orals 30mg/day(to harden up and drop water further)

Week

PCT

Week 7-8
Pregnyl 1500iu/week
Nolvadex 40mg/day

Week 8-10
Pregnyl 1500iu (once in week
Clomid 25mg/day

Question
SHould I also wait 2 weeks before starting Pregnyl?
Any other comments?

@Hulkman,
May I ask what is your age, weight, BF, length, years trained and what you want to acomplish with this cycle?

HULKman wrote:

Revised cycle

Week 1- 6

Testosterone Propionate - 100mg/eod
Nandrolone Phenylpropionate - 150mg/week
Letrozole 0.1mg/day (for water)

Week 5-8
Winstrol orals 30mg/day(to harden up and drop water further)

Week

PCT

Week 7-8
Pregnyl 1500iu/week
Nolvadex 40mg/day

Week 8-10
Pregnyl 1500iu (once in week
Clomid 25mg/day

Question
SHould I also wait 2 weeks before starting Pregnyl?
Any other comments?

ok bud what i will suggest to u is instead of wasting money on NPP(using 1ml a week is really not gonna be worth your while) why not just do a test prop and winstrol oral cycle,it will give u nice lean hard gains and more results that just 150mg of npp a week. pct can therefore start 2days post your last shot of test prop... clomid i would say run at 100mg for 5day post last shot and then go into using kessar post that...

If your using the NPP you need to inject it more frequently...

As for the PCT, you stop using gear at week 8. No problem running the SERM and HCG in the two weeks after the Test has left, but 5 weeks of HCG at 1500i.u. can have negative effects for recovery... Also you need to run a SERM like Nolvadex at 20mg or Clomid at 50mg-100mg for a few more weeks after stopping the HCG and the Winnie.

so test prop 100mg/eod for 6 weeks
And winny orals 30mg/ed 6 weeks ?

yes hulkman,now dont forget to up your efa's and take some arthroguard in order to protect those joints of yours from drying out...

Isnt 6 weeks of Test Prop a bit short to really see good results???
I am currently on 4ml/week Test prop and 4ml/week Nandro prop.
Running it for 9/10 weeks, on week 7 now.

I see pretty decent gains in 6 weeks

Inja wrote:

I see pretty decent gains in 6 weeks

Please take some before and after pics from your cycle Hulkman...

Mr_SA wrote:

Inja wrote:

I see pretty decent gains in 6 weeks

+ - how many KG ... I know itys hard to say , but roughly?

Please take some before and after pics from your cycle Hulkman...

will do ,only planning on starting in 2 months though....we are fasting at the moment

djeasye wrote:

ok bud what i will suggest to u is instead of wasting money on NPP(using 1ml a week is really not gonna be worth your while) why not just do a test prop and winstrol oral cycle,it will give u nice lean hard gains and more results that just 150mg of npp a week. pct can therefore start 2days post your last shot of test prop... clomid i would say run at 100mg for 5day post last shot and then go into using kessar post that...

So PCT is 2 days after last prop shot 100mg clomid for 5 days followed by kessar (at what dose and for how long?)

Well since 20mg kessar has exactly the same effect as 100mg clomid on the HPTA you could continue the SERM administration at this dose.
If you are not using HCG run the SERMs for 4-6 weeks, then check your bloods to assess recovery.

thanks ...so 100mg/ed clomd 5 days...thereafter 20mg kessar/ed for 4-5 weeks

do you think winny at 10 or 20 md /ed will help to look leaner and harder

Not really

HULKman wrote:

do you think winny at 10 or 20 mg /ed will help to look leaner and harder

If you were a women then yes but otherwise nope

haha so what dose should i use?...or any other compound?