Dianabol

Hi

Hmmm, not used dianabol in a few years just wondering if its still worth while doing a pyramid effect?

From what I understand you need 5mg per 25pounds of weight, so a 250 pound athlete would need 50mg pd?

Would one need to pyramid that or just start from the get go at 50mg pd, this is being used as a plateau breaker only... Meaning, half way through a cycle to shock the body a bit for 3 weeks.

Sweet.

Don't pyramid any steroids... only T3... Dianabol works great even if you kick off at 60mg and stop at 60mg.

Great!

What benefits are achieved from dianabol?

Strength and bloat

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never turn down the strengthB) ....but bloat? whats up with that?

if you take dbol only you will only put on water and piss it all out when you stop...

hmmm, dbol is great for loading phase at the start of a cycle to get your started quickly while the longer esters start to work.

I also use it sometimes when i'm at a plateau in my cycle to just give you that extra boost...

00pump wrote:

if you take dbol only you will only put on water and piss it all out when you stop...

hmmm, dbol is great for loading phase at the start of a cycle to get your started quickly while the longer esters start to work.

I also use it sometimes when i'm at a plateau in my cycle to just give you that extra boost...

oh ok....I was thinking I would be farting all the time:laugh:

lol......... naaa, just water retension... so you look all puffed up but then when you finish its all gone......

so just a temp increase in muscle size which is just because of water retention?....

correct... not a product to use if you looking at keeping gains...

I wonder if the water retention caused by Dbol is an Estrogenic side effect?

yup it is... only anadrol is the mystery one, being a ditivative of DHT it shouldn't create estrogen (so research says) I'm still going to do tests myself to validate this, but rather binds directly to the androgen receptor, making kessar a better choice, somebody correct me if i'm wrong?

00pump wrote:

yup it is... only anadrol is the mystery one, being a derivative of DHT it shouldn't create estrogen (so research says) I'm still going to do tests myself to validate this, but rather binds directly to the estrogen receptor, making kessar a better choice, somebody correct me if i'm wrong?

I corrected your spelling and a slip of the tongue.

It's not just the fact that its a dihdro, but also the double bonded carbon attached to the A-ring which makes aromatization impossible...

Inja wrote:

00pump wrote:

yup it is... only anadrol is the mystery one, being a derivative of DHT it shouldn't create estrogen (so research says) I'm still going to do tests myself to validate this, but rather binds directly to the estrogen receptor, making kessar a better choice, somebody correct me if i'm wrong?

I corrected your spelling and a slip of the tongue.

It's not just the fact that its a dihdro, but also the double bonded carbon attached to the A-ring which makes aromatization impossible...

Thanks

So you would still agree that kessar has an ability to help in this situation?

00pump wrote:

yup it is... only anadrol is the mystery one, being a ditivative of DHT it shouldn't create estrogen (so research says) I'm still going to do tests myself to validate this, but rather binds directly to the androgen receptor, making kessar a better choice, somebody correct me if i'm wrong?

So if anadrol is a derivative of DHT does it have a high risk profile for nasty sides like prostate hyperplasia and alopecia? Which is DHT mediated.
Basically is it highly androgenic Vs anabolic?

On top of that: Muscle growth is also in part DHT mediated. So if you were to take a 5alpha reductase inhibitor like finasteride to couteract some of the sides, would you get less gains?

It is highly androgenic and yes it has nasty sides, my prostrate really feels it...

and yes muscle growth is a factor of dihydrotesterone, so using some like Finasteride would / should hinder gains... It's like taking Winstrol and trying to block the hair loss by taking finasteride, lol.... would be a complete waste... hence using it for a short peroid best advised...

Waoh Waoh Waoh... Hold up now boys.

00pump wrote:

So you would still agree that kessar has an ability to help in this situation?

If indeed there is direct binding of oxymetholone to the ER, like most of us believe, then kessar will compete for this binding and will displace oxymetholone from the breast ER. So yes it will help.



About all this other humbug though let me say a few things. Oxymetholone is not that much more androgenic than winstrol or other DHT derived compounds (It is very anabolic). But oxymetholone is traditionally taken in higher doses (100mg-150mg) and so usually presents itself as a hairloss/acne/prostate enlarging drug far more frequently than other DHT related compounds.
On the point of finasteride, this drug should do nothing to these compounds and should not change their side effects! This is because finasteride blocks the convertion of testosterone derivatives to their dihydro forms. Since DHT derivatives are already in the dihydro form they cannot convert and it is the compound you take that causes these effects.