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hi doc what can i do with my gyno,every time i wana go on a leka bulking cycly i have to spend a fortune on a dex, i do have little lumps, that doesnt look to good,so the only opp i have is to go and have it cut out i think.
i hate these fucking gyno tits!!! pls help me.
what would an opp cost me in sa?or what other than a opp can i do to get them away?

thankx alot.

Try letrozole, it can in some cases actually reverse the gyno

Precision is 100% right ,as far as reversing gyno I have seen this product work where it reduces the size of the nodules significantly.

Femara comes in a 2,5mg tab in SA. As little as 0,5mg per day will shrink it away in total. I would suggest a course of Femara for no less than 60 days, preferably not much longer either. You cannot go for too long without estrogen - it's very bad for your immune system. There are 2 types of operations. One is "open" surgery where it's cut open and removed, leaving visible scars. These are usually done by general surgeons. The second method is via endoscopic surgery - this is usually performed by plastic surgeons. There is also some dermatologists performing high frequency ultra sound procedures, very similar to what women opt for in the place of liposuction. This is also very costly and equals the cost of surgery. Depending on fees, I would roughly guess in the region of R8000 - 10 000. Femara at wholesale cost ± R1800 for 30 x 2,5 mg tabs.
Do the math...
I would suggest the Femara. Get the gynae totally shrunk away before considering your next course. Then, do enough planning ahead of your next course and read up on what AAS combinations should go with what estrogen suppression drugs. For instance, any Deca in your AAS course, and Nolvadex would be a bad choice. Go READ !!

doc what schedule is femara? (is it letrozole??)
now i must just look where i can get it if its a scheduled drug, with my luck no one will have it for me.

thanx alot!!(precision,conan,doc)

Schedule 4

I can back up what everyone says here,, My Gyno was REAL bad I had man Boobies,, I thought my only option was surgery... I would not wear a tight shirt because I was too embarassed -- Doc is spot on there ,,, I got a quote from a plastic surgeon a couple of years ago and it was just over 10k

I got some Femara/ Letro some time back. It actually reversed most of my gyno,, Something most people told me was impossible.. I still have small lumps,, but not nearly as bad as they were... I used a chinese generic

The only drawback was it completely killed my sex drive while on it

a thankx doc and batman,i also will never wear a tight shirt at this moment it looks kak,batman how much did you take over how long time a month 2 whats best to take it all at once split dose morning b4 bed?

thankx alot!

It's a 2,5mg tab. Take about 1/4 tab daily, but you'll need to take it 60 days continously. A daily dose as little as 0,5mg is effective in men. I would start on 1/4 tab and re-asses after one week.

I'm still studying through the litrature. Just difficult to get around doing so with all the Flu and Gastro keeping me busy all day...

I took a tab a day for two months,,,, but it was feeling in the dark when i did it

I don't know when the best time to take it,,, don't think it makes much difference with letro ,,,,, but whenever I take any "different" medicine besides stimulants I take them at bedtime so I can sleep through the side effects

i see in my mims 30 2.5mg tabs is about 1200rand. nova labs.

so batman you took 2.5mg daily b4 bed and the lumps got smaller?? and never game back?
but when you run a leka strong cycle now u took lots of...
nolvadex or adex??

doc for a guy like me who can only look at a d bol or a test ampule,and get gyno,like batman is also,if i am correct. wouldnt 2.5mg like bat took be better to tke from the start,or must one star with a small dose? how diffrent does femara work from adex?
i see that if adex does not work in woman with brest cancer they go for femara, but how much diffrent is the 2?

thankx alot bat and doc?

Batty, I have not seen the tabs yet - not willing to dish out R2000+ just to measure them for size... Do you by chance know how big the original Femara tab is ?? Possible to break it into quarters?? As little as 0,5mg dosage per day is quite effective for full estrogen suppression. I think you had the sides due to too high dosage. To those that I have spoken to that have used it, all used that high dosage and all complained of the same sides. Maybe if you use the least effective dose, your sides should be less ???....

doc what sides are there with that dose,and do u think it would be wise for me to pay that amount of money and see if it will make the lumps smaller?

thankx alot!

Doc you're right on the money ,you can quiet accurately(if you have a pill cutter)
cut the 2.5mg pill into 4 pieces(+/-0.6mg) and that dosage will still get you the results you want (I think Batty's protocol of 2 months was correct in the case of really bad gyno as it takes 2 months (60days) to achieve a stable blood plasma level) although if your gyno is gone within a week no need to stay on for that long (maybe an extra week after gyno has dissapeared)and that brings me to the sides,not only does it fuck-up your sex drive but also can play havoc with your immune system and sore joints can be a problem as well.
I must add that I think this product is a fantastic pre-contest drug used in the last 4-5 weeks before a show to give that really dry look but for the recreational steroid taker this product might cause too many problems and a safer alternative would be the healthier choice.

Here is what I would suggest:

When on cycle(like test + d-bol + Deca) I would use Arimidex at 0,5mg per day. With that I would add in definitely atleast 25mg Proviron daily during the whole course. If you really are VERY sensitive to gynae and can afford it, add in Masteron minimum 100mg every 2'nd day. If you still have sore nipples after this, then re-evaluate your course and aviod all nor-testostrerone derivatives futher - as you probably are then having progesteronic side effects. You will then need to add in Parlodel @ 2,5mg p day.

My thoughts on PCT these days(after hours and hours of research) is the following:
- one week before end of cycle, I would up the Proviron to 100mg p day, split in two doses. This I will run for full 4 weeks. It will increase your free testosterone, inhibit aromatases enzyme and decrease SHBG. Thus, in certain terms a nice "anabolic bridge" during the first 3 weeks of no testosterone support during PCT.

- Will run Nolvadex for total of 5 weeks minimum @ dose of 20mg per day. I will continue this minimum two weeks longer after I have decided to stop HCG. It blocks estrogen and increases your natural testosterone level by 150-300%.

- Will run Aromasin 25mg per day from week one of PCT, atleast 3 weeks. If my cycle was very androgenic and at high doses, I will run this full 4 weeks.

- Will use Ovidrel during my cycle at doses of 250IU's to 500IU's every 3 days DURING my cycle, depending on the size of my testii and the amount of testosterone used weekly. I will opt to start this within the third week of my cycle and continue throughout the whole cycle. The first week of PCT, I will up the dosage of Ovidrel to 1000-1500IU's every 30 hours, administerd sudcutaneously. Continue this for the full first three weeks of PCT.

If I decide to "anabolically bridge" during this PCT period, I might consider either 10mg D-bol or 20 mg Anavar p day for 3 - 4 weeks.

I will not use Clomid anymore as part of my PCT in the future. If I decide to use it again, it would be at a low daily dose as from the 3'rd week of my AAS cycle, combined and assisting the low doses Ovidrel use during the cycle. Again, here depending on the total Testosterone dosage per week. Anything of 400-600mg or less per week, I will just observe testii size. Definitely morew than 600mg per week, and I will use the low dose clomid / Ovidrel regime as part of my AAS cycle.

About Letrozole:
I will reserve this for two scenarios only. First , when my gynae has not responded adequately to any of the above combinations. I will use the 1/4 tab p day regime and titrate the dosage accordingly, with weekly re-assessments.

Secondly, I will use it pre-contest. Here I will start at the low dose 60 days out from contest day - assess my "hardness" as I go along the cycle and consider to increase the Letrozole dose ONLY if I'm not where I want to be 3 weeks out. I won't worry about it killing my libido, as I will have different testosterone-based androgenic support in place at that time. Most are already on low calory diets, suppressing the immune system. So, why then worry about the Letrozole's effect of this further. Your joints will be sore, as you are probably on a very low fat diet and Winstrol at that stage ??

There will be hordes of people that are going to differ with me about the above PCT regime. Let them be.... This, I don't worry about. The above regime is what I will follow in the future.

As a note, I will evaluate my PCT course's effectiveness, during the 4'th week, by doing a simple "wanker's test".

doc whats the wankers test,to test if your test levels are back to normal?
how do u go about this?
do you think that if i take letrozole it will make my lumps smaller?? or will i juz be waisting my money?

thankx alot!

jo1 wrote:

doc whats the wankers test,to test if your test levels are back to normal?
how do u go about this?(i mean whem do u know its back to normal or not)
do you think that if i take letrozole it will make my lumps smaller?? or will i juz be waisting my money?

thankx alot!

Ummm the "wankers test" would be to substitute the marie biscuit for a little plastic cup and have it evaluated to make sure your sperm count is up and you have enough "swimmers" doing freestyle and not doggy style If you catch my drift

How you go about this, well, your'e a boy and should always have something to play with!

o so then i must go and have the sperm tested at a lab or so??

Yip, that's the long and short of it.

jo1 wrote:

doc whats the wankers test,to test if your test levels are back to normal?
how do u go about this?
do you think that if i take letrozole it will make my lumps smaller?? or will i juz be waisting my money?

thankx alot!

Letro will make your lumps smaller ,, look around if anyone has a generic import,,