ZIMBO needs help with this cycle

What a great site,

I have been training for 4 years now 3 times a week and have not been able to achieve what i wanted.
I am 32 years of age weight 198lbs and 6 foot 20% BF.

My friend recently bought me a present of:
Deca 300 10ml,Sust 250 10ml and Win100 10ml.(after reaserach i see i need CLOMID so have oredered it)
He bought me this after i was complaining about my fustrations, i have had personnel trainers in the past,trained hard and dieted well over the years but just havent got the results have got some good ones but not what i want.
Goals: strength and definition not to much bulk i think i would be very happy to drop a lot of BF but staying a similar weight.

I have spent $1000's on suplements.
I have been out of gym for 8 weeks and now have a new hunger to get back into gym but would like your advise.
Is it possible to cycle the products i have in a 6/8 week cycle and if so how would you do it.

Please help me out here, my friend has recomended the following:
week 1: deca 100mg,sust 100mg
week 2: deca 200mg, sust 200mg
week 3: deca 300mg, sust 300mg
week 4: deca 200mg, sust 200mg
week 5: deca 100mg, sust 100mg
week 6: deca 100mg, sust 100mg
week 7: start the win100

Please advise me on the best thing to do, ie how i should take them, should i just do the SUST250 and how do i incorporate the WIN i will also have DIANABOL.

Thank you for taking the time to help out.

From Sunny Africa.

Cheers

If you want to do a cutting cycle rather look at short esters for that. Like Test Prop, NPP and so forth. Deca takes a while to kick in, for me at least. Around six or seven weeks.

Sus and Deca are mostly used during a bulking cycle. I am not 100% sure but I don't think you get 100mg/ml Winstrol ??? Most I've seen are 50mg/ml.

Either get more Sus and Deca and bulk or get some other goodies to do a cutting cycle. Test Prop, Anavar and Winstrol could be good combo. Remeber PCT is important. You'll need Pregnyl, Clomid and/or Kessar for that.

thanks very much for that, unfortunatly, thats what i have already.
Money is a bit tight what would you recommend adding for cutting and also for PCT is clomid not enough?

if i had to make do with what i have already been given what would be the perfect cycle for these?

Honestly if I were you I'd rather save up on some cash the next few months or so and do a proper cycle. No use in doing a half arsed cycle.

Also pyramiding is old school. Rather run everything at the same dose throughout the cycle. You don't have enough Sus and Deca to do a proper cycle. I would run Sus at 500mg per week and Deca at 300mg if I was bulking, don't think it will work for cutting. PCT would be Clomid, Letro and Pregnyl if you go the Sus, Deca route. Also diet is key when doing a cycle.

Maybe the vets can assist you on this one.

this is such a wicked website, so full of information

I am actually thinking of just doing SUS and Dianabol for my first cycle and save the deca and win for the next cycle sometime next year, how does that sound?

What is your recommendation for a proper cycle on cycle 2 if you think that the above is a godd first cycle?

What about using Kessar with clomid after the SUS/ Dianabol cycle?

Thanks so much for the time i look forward to your response.

This is a bulking cycle:
D Bol week 1 - 4 at 30mg - 50mg per day
Sustanon 500mg per week for 10 weeks. (250mg on Mon, 250mg on Thu)
PCT:
Pregnyl 500IU three times per week (Mon, Wed, Fri) from week 11 - 13
Clomid 15 days after last Sus shot 100mg for 5 days then 50mg for 5 days. Start Kessar 22 days after last Sus shot 20mg per day for 30 days.

For your second cycle save cash and get some Test Prop, Winnie and/or Anavar. This will be a cutting cycle.

milktuds u are very right on the money with your pct, but i would also move the pregnyl to when u start the clomid..thats my personal opinion...but with your clomid instead of 5 days on 5 days off 5 days on again,rather hit the clomid for 5days at 100mg and then start your kessar...

djeasye wrote:

milktuds u are very right on the money with your pct, but i would also move the pregnyl to when u start the clomid..thats my personal opinion...but with your clomid instead of 5 days on 5 days off 5 days on again,rather hit the clomid for 5days at 100mg and then start your kessar...

DJ, I meant he should use the Clomid for ten days straight, first 5 days at 100mg and then 50mg the next 5 days. Ok so he should start Pregnyl 15 days after last Sus shot. Most people have told me to use the HCG during the 15 days waiting peroid before you start PCT. What difference does this make? Do you recover better or what? Just curious as this is usually how I've done PCT.

Before starting any cycle I strongly recommend that you drop your body fat to about 12%.
The more body fat you have the more prone you'll be to gyno.

Then do the cycle recommeneded by milktuds.
Also take into account that you won't get 10 shots out of your 10ml vial, so if you only have 1 x 10ml SUS vial then you may want to inject 0.8ml so that you have enough SUS for 10 weeks.

i think i will order another 10ml sus so to do 500ml per week

Good, but maybe you should try some fat burners and a good diet for 3 - 4 months to drop that body fat of yours to about 12% then do the Sus, D-Bol cycle
Heat, Wasp, Clen are good fat burners.

hi Milktuds, that sounds great,witht he second cycle how many months should i wait to do it?
I will have winn and deca left over as i already have purchased these things

Time On + PCT = Time Off. So if your cycle + PCT is like let say 14 weeks, then you need to take 14 weeks off after PCT before starting another cycle.

You'll have to throw in some Test Prop along with the Deca and Winnie for that cycle.

milktuds wrote:

djeasye wrote:

milktuds u are very right on the money with your pct, but i would also move the pregnyl to when u start the clomid..thats my personal opinion...but with your clomid instead of 5 days on 5 days off 5 days on again,rather hit the clomid for 5days at 100mg and then start your kessar...

DJ, I meant he should use the Clomid for ten days straight, first 5 days at 100mg and then 50mg the next 5 days. Ok so he should start Pregnyl 15 days after last Sus shot. Most people have told me to use the HCG during the 15 days waiting peroid before you start PCT. What difference does this make? Do you recover better or what? Just curious as this is usually how I've done PCT.

thats how I do it aswell, and thats why I use higher doses of HCG, as you still have allot of gear in your system so it might prevent you from properly recovering... I find 1500ui 3 times a week beats those odds.

what should i do with my Deca?
also is it better to start with a bulking cycle first and then a cutting one, coz i want to loose BF/ gain strength.
What do you think MILKTUDS?

Thanks again for your time

Well you could use EQ and cut / and gain strength.....

Leave the Deca out for now.
Well seeing you don't want to buy new goodies for a new cycle I would suggest you get a proper diet and stick to it for 3 - 4 months and use fat burners to lose some fat. Then do the bulking cycle as suggested. After your Time Off then do a cutting cycle. I suggest you email djeasye for your diet EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED
and maybe try the Max OT exercise program along with 20 - 30 min cardio post weights workout. It is in the download section on this forum.

everybody, thank you so much for everything you have helped me with.
will email about my diet, and download the MAX OT exercise program.

Just out of curiosity how would you cycle the test prop/deca winnie cycle?

Are most cycles 12-14 weeks? or are there 6-8 week cycles out there.

But i do agree some hard dieting and gyming over the next couple of weeks to get my BF down.

Thank you again

Test Prop week 1 - 10 @ 100mg EOD
Deca at 300mg Week 1 - 10
Winnie 40mg per day last 4 weeks of your cycle if using orals
Winnie at 100mg EOD for the last 4 weeks when using injectables

Depends what u are using and what you're trying to achieve. Anything from 6 weeks onwards. Wouldn't recommend longer than 24 weeks.

Depends what you taking, slow or fast acting ester...

Fast acting ester can decrease your cycle length by quite some time... cycles like EQ need to extend by quite some time.

what are the major differences between Test Prop and Sust?

Milktuds, i read earlier that coz i dont want to spend money on new things for a new cycle then i should do the Bulking cycle which looks good......if i could purchase all over again what should i get?

well sus has test prop in it, sustanon is a formation of short and long acting esters.. test prop is only a short ester...

hence sustanon gets working from the get go... where things like test cypionate / enth... are long esters and take a week + to start kicking in.

The Sus, D - Bol cycle is good for bulking. For cutting most people use Test Prop as their base and then add other stuff like Winnie, Var or Masteron etc...
And of course fat burners during cutting.

Thanks again guys for the help.

I will hit the gym get the BF down naturally,
then do the bulking cycle, then use my dec and winn plus test prop to cut.

What about doing sust/deca/winny and then the PCT is this not a good cycle to do?