ZIMBO needs help with this cycle

i am just curious as to why this is not a common cycle?

The Deca and sust retain water, so adding in the winnie does not do much for overall look or hardness, which winnie is traditionally used for. The effect of adding in the winnie to a Deca Sust cycle is also minimal, as these two compounds will already give you maximal growth.

milktuds, thanks so much for all your help, this will be my first cycle, is 10-14 weeks for a newbie cycle a bit long, is it possible to do it over 6-8weeks and just use clomid.

Well when I was on Sus I didn't see any results till after 6 weeks. So I think you'll be wasting your time and money to run it for 8 weeks. Your cycle plus PCT is about 14 weeks. Any amount of Test greater than 100mg will cause shutdown, then you'll need a proper PCT to get the boys back.

milktuds wrote:

Time On + PCT = Time Off. So if your cycle + PCT is like let say 14 weeks, then you need to take 14 weeks off after PCT before starting another cycle.

You'll have to throw in some Test Prop along with the Deca and Winnie for that cycle.

Please can you give the sample cycle for the above, TEST PROP,DECA,WINNIE

just got D BOL 10mg, 50 tabs

maybe i will get the Test prop and do the cutting cycle

I got this of the download older cycle how does this sound?
2. Beginners Cycle #2 - The Classic Mass Builder This is a variation on the above: Deca durabolan - 400mg per week for 8 weeks Sustanon 250 OR Testaviron depot - 500mg per week for 8 weeks Dianabol - 30mg per day, six days per week for 6 weeks This stack should produce good results for the steroid user looking for mass. Here the Deca should be 400mg for optimum effects, and the Dianabol at the onset helps kick start the cycle while you are waiting for the longer acting Deca and test to take effect. Nolvadex should be on hand in case symptoms of aromatisation become apparent. Clomid should be used post cycle commencing at 10-14 days afterwards. You may hold a lot of water from this brought about by the Dianabol and the testosterone but this can be reduced by the use of Nolvadex / Tamoxifen or Arimidex. The dosage of Dianabol may be divided out through out the day and taken every 3-4 hrs as it has such a short half-life. Though most people take half in the morning and half in the evening. Take them with / after a protein-based meal. The testosterone and the Deca can be split down into 3 shots per week: 250mg of test (1ml) plus 100mg of Deca (1ml) mixed into the same syringe, and another of 200mg of Deca (2ml)................................

It's all up to you what you want to do. I can give you advice, can't tell you what to do. I wouldn't use Dianabol for longer than 4 weeks unless you'd like to bash your liver pretty good. Orals you need to take everyday because of the half life. Orals are also best absorbed on an empty stomach, if it upsets your stomach then take it 30 - 60 min after a meal.

I am pretty sure on page one of this thread there is an example of the dosages for the cutting cycle consisting of Prop, Deca and Winnie. The cutting cycle will only work if you have a good diet and also do cardio.

I have read through this thread and found the, cutting cycle, thank you so much for all your info so i will be starting gym on september the 1st.
On the cutting cycle you say that i should do the Test Prop 100mg EOD am i correct in saying that would be every third day?

You have really taught me alot on this thread, what a great website, so my understanding on which ever cycle i choose, it should be 10-12 weeks for a proper cycle, to achieve the maximum results.

My only problem i foresee is time constraints being so late in the year and sitting with such a medicine cabnit full of great goodies, thats why i thought it was possible to do a 6 week cutting cycle to be in shape for christmas.

Milk Tuds you have been a fountain of knowledge thank you very much.

Better late than never. And december is such a tempting month that being on cycle will hopefully stop u from overindulging in all the other goodies

thanks beesting, have you got any helpful info on this thread?

truckstopper wrote:

I have read through this thread and found the, cutting cycle, thank you so much for all your info so i will be starting gym on september the 1st.
On the cutting cycle you say that i should do the Test Prop 100mg EOD am i correct in saying that would be every third day?

You have really taught me alot on this thread, what a great website, so my understanding on which ever cycle i choose, it should be 10-12 weeks for a proper cycle, to achieve the maximum results.

My only problem i foresee is time constraints being so late in the year and sitting with such a medicine cabnit full of great goodies, thats why i thought it was possible to do a 6 week cutting cycle to be in shape for christmas.

Milk Tuds you have been a fountain of knowledge thank you very much.

Bud the only reason why I suggest you do a 10 week cutting cycle with the Deca is cause Deca takes like 6 weeks (for me) to kick in and you said you don't have the cash to buy any other stuff. You could drop the Deca and just use Prop and Winnie and do a 6 - 8 week cutting cycle and add a fat burner and a good diet. 100mg EOD - EveryOtherDay meaning every second day, like Mon, Wed, Fri etc. Also you need to alternate injection sites when doing EOD injections. Like Monday you pin left Glute, Wed you pin left Quad and then you start the other side. Cutting cycles are usually not longer than 10 weeks and Bulking can be as long as 21 weeks. All depends what you're using and what you're using it for.

truckstopper wrote:

On the cutting cycle you say that i should do the Test Prop 100mg EOD am i correct in saying that would be every third day?

Every second day

thanks milktuds for te advice , at the moment i am fine tuning my diet, trying to keep high in protein low carbs.
So on the cutting one, how much winnie inject should i use?
And what would be the best PCT for the Prop/winnie cycle.

Thanks BEE

truckstopper wrote:

thanks milktuds for te advice , at the moment i am fine tuning my diet, trying to keep high in protein low carbs.
So on the cutting one, how much winnie inject should i use?
And what would be the best PCT for the Prop/winnie cycle.

Winnie inject 100mg EOD
PCT is basically the same, just the time you have to wait after your last Prop shot (3 - 5 days) before starting PCT. I would run HCG on cycle at 375 - 500 IU E3D and continue another week or two after your last Prop shot. You'll need Clomid/Kessar.

So let say you do a 8 week cutting cycle:

Week 1 - 8 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Week 5 - 8 Winnie inject 100mg EOD (do not mix with prop in same syringe)
HCG week 1 - 9 500IU E3D
If just using Kessar then 20mg/day 3 - 5 days after last Prop shot for 30 days or you can use the combo of Clomid and Kessar

again thank you Milktuds for the advice.
At least by the time i am ready to do a cycle i will have all the knowledge.Tanks again.
What is the dosage of Test Prop?
Just trying to see exactly how much stuff is needed for this cycle, how long i must save for.

Thanks

Beesting wrote:

Better late than never. And december is such a tempting month that being on cycle will hopefully stop u from overindulging in all the other goodies

And yet we all know about 90 % of ppl are gearing in december just for the joll.:woohoo:

truckstopper wrote:

again thank you Milktuds for the advice.
At least by the time i am ready to do a cycle i will have all the knowledge.Tanks again.
What is the dosage of Test Prop?
Just trying to see exactly how much stuff is needed for this cycle, how long i must save for.

Thanks

Test Prop is usually 100mg/ml they come in 10ml vials