Give input please

Hi Guys,

I am now just past week 3 of my summer cut. Am on Tren A 60mg eod,Test prop 100mg eod, Masteron 60mg eod and oral winny 50 mg per day. Diet is strict and in check and am also incorporating t3 and clen(which I cycle with Heat). I do my weight training and cardio 30-40 min afterwards every day except saturdays and Sundays when its cardio only on empty stomach. I was amazed by my initial results as the fat melted off me and i got harder and more defined. The fat loss has now slowed down and I am now cycling carbs to kick it up a notch. I will also be increasing my dosages from week 4 to 8 to 100mg eod of tren and mast/ test prop 150mg/winny will stay the same.My question is this... from week 8 to 12 I will be switching to anavar 50mg per day and arimidex .50 mg per day plus test prop 100mg eod. I am getting nice and lean but want to get rid of some of the subcutaneuos water. I have a lot of nolva on hand and want to use 20 mg a day till I start the arimidex. Will nolva alone help with water retention to make me a bit drier? As there seems to be conflicting info on the net with regards to this. I do not want to put in proviron also and I do not suffer from gyno symptoms.What is your thoughts and experience.

Thanks

Let me get this right, you are doing 8 weeks of winni, then wanting to do another 4 weeks of Var after the winni....12 weeks of orals?

Nolva doesn't help at all with water... and Tren for 12 weeks is going to F*** you up...... you going to cause perm damage to your body....

letro or adex should be used from now to keep your estrogen low and water to be drained... you could also use a duiretic just watch out it doesn't drop your BP to low...

the type of cycle you where looking at should have been done for 8 weeks max..... even then 8 weeks of tren (shakes his head)

00pump wrote:

Nolva doesn't help at all with water... and Tren for 12 weeks is going to F*** you up...... you going to cause perm damage to your body....

letro or adex should be used from now to keep your estrogen low and water to be drained... you could also use a duiretic just watch out it doesn't drop your BP to low...

OK. Will put in the adex. Am going to be on tren a for 8 weeks only then switching to anavar and prop.(Why shouldn't I use tren for 8 weeks?) Am on oral winny for 1 week now and will be on orals in total for 10 weeks even though anavar is supposed to be less toxic. Thoughts?

Ou mentiond that your fat los has sloed....have you considered changing you workout routine. often initial fat losses are achieved but once your body becomes accustomed to the workout the losses are less as you require less energy to perform the same tasks...

i agree with barbell,increasing your work load and intensity might just kick start your fat loss,also your diet is crucial,decrease carbs by about 25-50g a day and then your fat loss might start again as your body will be acustomes to your current diet

I have started yesterday incorporating HIIT cardio every second day and normal in between. Should I switch up my weight training also? I normally do one body part per week hard and heavy. I have started decreasing my carbs but will also incorporate a refeed of carbs every third day.

As to my original querie... so nolva for water reduction is a nono? Is all the info on all the sites false?

00pump wrote:

the type of cycle you where looking at should have been done for 8 weeks max..... even then 8 weeks of tren (shakes his head)

8 weeks of tren is the norm... and did'nt you notice the low dosages.

can i make a suggestion,make your diet into 4 different days, High carb day, Moderate carb day,low carb day and low carb off days..

then prioritise your work outs,select 2 body parts that u find u need extra energy to train or are lacking in size (mine Monday for legs and friday chest) that day have high carb days. then 2 medium priority work outs, (mine are tuesday for arms and thursday for back) and have moderate carb days, my lower priority work outs are shoulders so i have a low carb training day on wednesday and then off days i have low carb days....


also your cardio,start off steady and consistant,if u are loosing on 3 moderate intensity cardio sessions a week then leave it at that,as weight loss starts to slow add in another 5 mins per cardio session and then when it slows again add in another cardio session and then repeat after the weight loss slows....

also up your efa intake,u might find your body is starving itself or over training so u need to up your calories a bit more to break the starvation response

6 weeks of tren i s the norm bud...

djeasye thanks for your response...appreciated. I will definitely give your suggestions a try. I am getting conflicting info with regards to safely using tren. Some guys use it for 12 weeks...wtf

what side effects have you experienced?

My question was how many weeks you gonna be on orals for, from what I gathered is that you will be on winni for 8 weeks and then another 4 weeks for Var.
If this is correct then your liver is gonna take a beating.

stevie wrote:

what side effects have you experienced?

Tren cough when injecting...bad!!
Night sweats, Cold fevers,insomnia...nice hey, but the shit works and these are at low dosages. I shudder to think what is gonna happen when i push it up.

WTF wrote:

My question was how many weeks you gonna be on orals for, from what I gathered is that you will be on winni for 8 weeks and then another 4 weeks for Var.
If this is correct then your liver is gonna take a beating.

Winny 6 weeks and anavar another 4. Anavar is suppose to be less toxic that's why I was gonna switch to that. Could always just last 4 weeks go to primo,prop and masteron. I will be shredded by then.

two weeks gap is not enough on the orals...i would if i was u do 4 weeks on the winny high dose it and then 4 weeks break and then 4 weeks on the var,i would add test into this period if i was u,test prop. you can start pct 2 days after and if u shorten your tren ace cycle to 6 weeks u will be able to use kessar in the pct.. i would suggest using pregnyl/hcg from week 2 of tren cycle.

Dude, let me put it this way... when you fuck your body up, its not like replacing a wheel on the car.... now when your liver is really screwed you have problems.... don't overdo it.... now think this, you start with tren, so your body is allready under such strain then you complete the rest of the cycle while the body is under this sort of pressure...

if you want to go the tren route and be 'safe' make sure you do it safly... have a blood pressure montior, check your self... and make sure you looking after your body, also look at throwing it in at the end of the cycle, but it does shut you down hard... so dj squirrel is right... you need around around 2 weeks for it start working out.. that stuff is hardcore...

i'm all for safty as i have screwed my body up... just don't want everyone else too when they can just take good advice and play safe....

6 weeks tren, great... 8 weeks tren you pushing it, 12 weeks tren you going to cause serious problems..... maybe not this cycle but trust me when it happens you going to regret it... and you going to have 30k medical bills like I do now... _ABOVE_ medical aids contribution...

also yes one can drink _ALLOT_ of water on tren, but then you deplete your body of all its minerals... so its such a balance, if trust me its going to raise your BP and when your BP gets raised you going to damage your kidneys, no two ways about that....

keep it short before the damage starts... its like a crack in a wall that keeps getting bigger and bigger... you going to have to do something before it cracks all the way through... same with this, keep cycle no longer than 6 weeks, have a LONG break and that crack will never get any larger... but if you don't its going to get to a point that you going to need dialisis and I don't think your girlfriend is going to like it that you for 3 hours a day you need to have this machine clean your blood for you... 3 hours I believe is an understatment... once the kidneys are damaged to anywhere near that point you CANNOT REPAIR THEM!

keep it safe...

oh and now you ask your family for a kidney and you put their life at risk and to come up with that money for a transplant? and ontop of that to live of anti immune suppresant drugs... so your own immune system doesn't kill its new organ as its foreign to the body... now what? you get a small flue and guess what your immune system is knocked the %#@(#($#@ out so how do you get better quickly?

Its a dangerous game if you don't do it safe!!! to many people are destroying their bodies to look a specific way or to 'try' achieve a goal they might never get..... make sure when you play with stuff like this you allways take the road _less traveled_ the safe route....

ok thats my 2 cents...

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you keen?

Nice comments guys...
If I were to add anything I would just chime in about the cycling of ephedrine and clen, which as we know prevents them from working well by never allowing proper upregulation of beta2 receptors to the max during time off clen.

I feel like giving you karma today Mr. Pumper...
(Also I don't like the number 6)

Pump you freaked me out so much about tren that im a bit worried to do as long as 6weeks.