Give input please

Inja wrote:

I feel like giving you karma today Mr. Pumper...
(Also I don't like the number 6)

thanks, and LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

00pump wrote:

oh and now you ask your family for a kidney and you put their life at risk and to come up with that money for a transplant? and ontop of that to live of anti immune suppresant drugs... so your own immune system doesn't kill its new organ as its foreign to the body... now what? you get a small flue and guess what your immune system is knocked the %#@(#($#@ out so how do you get better quickly?

Its a dangerous game if you don't do it safe!!! to many people are destroying their bodies to look a specific way or to 'try' achieve a goal they might never get..... make sure when you play with stuff like this you allways take the road _less traveled_ the safe route....

ok thats my 2 cents...

Hi

Thanks for your input. Would you mind telling me exactly how you messed your body up?
I will definitely take your advice with regards to the tren and will also shorten my lenght of oral usage. I think week 8 to 12 I will switch to prop, masteron and then PCT. This will be much safer.

Thanks Guys.

Guys just a question and it might be a stupid one but here it goes. Why is there then a product like Tren Enanthate on the market if its so detrimental to your health? As my understanding and probably many others it take the enanthate ester a lot longer to be released into the blood stream as to the likes to acetate. So as previously mentioned on many other threads if you use a product like Test enanthate for example vs. Test prop it takes much longer to see results. Could somebody please clear this up for me a I'm looking to start a tren E and test cycle in the next week or so.

hmmm, well I trained with the 'big bois' all my friends where _MASSIVE_ and they all had 1 thing in common... they where clueless.... my second cycle at 18 was Omnadren 250 at 4 amps per week + 800mg of Deca (those yellow top ones) and 50mg of dianabol for 3 months!!!!

Then as i'm coming off that cycle I don't know what / how to PCT so I start losing massive gains and then I move straight to Anadrol and Protabol (protabol (injectable dianabol) hence how stupid to combine those two with sustanon and more deca.... and that how it went till I wised up and met some IFBB guys in the UK who started to educate me....

I took Pregnyl 5000 (a few shots of that) and clomid and Nolva and did my first proper PCT... I cleaned my body out bought every supplement during this time under the sun.... ZMA, Gluatmine, Creatine Phosphorus, BCAA's, etc etc etc......... During this time and my previous cycles in a space of 2 years (I guess) I went from 63kgs to 98..... Then the following cycle I started with Apex T350 and only was using 1 mill per week and hitting major growth hormones... I then went from 98 to 115.... then is when I started to develop all my problems, during the time before this doctors have checked and said you havve protien in your urine and I ignored it then another one said it, but nobody was concerned... then my BP was a bit high and it stayed this way for a few years, hence causing damage to the rest of my body (heart + kidneys) with my BP being so high, it was like my blood was 'boiling' and my hormones where a complete mess!!!!!! Every time I started to get excited or a fright or angry or any real emotion I would break out with urticaria (its like fire all over your body) I had to have the guys in the gym give me a portable fan to blow on me while I was training or I couldn't train.... it then got so bad and so 'active' that I had to stop training for 2 years... I couldn't even go into the sun during this time, if I wanted to go in the sun I would have to run and jump in a pool and keep my body cold... I then started my research and wanted to understnad why, who, how and when..... I started having meetings with Professors and people alike and started to pin point what is going on... I even was doing acupuncher during this time to help the 'intense' range I was feeling from the pain I kept going through....

I stopped juice for a few years but never stopped researching and meeting doctors and asking them could it be because of XYZ and bla bla bla...... and came to the conclusion they had no freakin clue what they where talking about and I had to look for case studies to try understand what I was going through....

anyway, I tried a cycle after all this and was pissing out 'DARK BLOOD' (black / old) and my kidneys where in so much pain and my BP was through the roof.... so I said fsck this I need to fix myself once and for all and went the 'natrual' route... which has now restored i'd say 90% of my health back to me... my BP sits on 130 over 60, my skin hardly breaks out now, except when I do PCT (hormone related (hot flushes type of thing)) and energy levels are back, etc....

but let me put it this way it was a LONG AND PAINFULL road to travel... but in the end I am now able to do a cycle without to much negative side effects... doing it safe and clean.... yes my dreams where completely fscked up as I had to stop training and only now getting back into it properly... also the injuries I sustained pushing those types of weights I did with all that gear in me... when I was 18 (yes its not that HEAVY) but I was doing 190kgs squats, from a 63kg (stick) it was allot of weight and my body was not ready for it, hence damage to everything, petella by me knee has a finger gap when bent in then straightned out... lack of synovial fluid in most of my joints, etc due to the weights I was pressing...

like I said.... keep it safe do it properly... I fscked up a perfectly healthy body for a dream that now can't happen... i'm to old to get to the size I need to be, I should have been around 150 off season if it was not for the damage I did to myself....

anyway, thats my story... make sure you have long breaks, clean your body out, don't use high doses of substances and you will achieve your goal.... don't be a moron like I was... a fool who was under the impression more is better...

k, no idea what I just wrote, don't even want to re-read it, excuse the spelling errors and incorrect words used in places...

vega5 wrote:

Guys just a question and it might be a stupid one but here it goes. Why is there then a product like Tren Enanthate on the market if its so detrimental to your health? As my understanding and probably many others it take the enanthate ester a lot longer to be released into the blood stream as to the likes to acetate. So as previously mentioned on many other threads if you use a product like Test enanthate for example vs. Test prop it takes much longer to see results. Could somebody please clear this up for me a I'm looking to start a tren E and test cycle in the next week or so.

I have heard guys using tren e and a for as long as 16 weeks with no problems. My concern however is if you have a pre existing condition you are not aware of kidney wise you could set yourself up for a bad experience. The reason I have decide to shorten my tren cycle is because even though I am just using 60mg eod it is very potent and I can feel it some days in a dull ache in the lower back. I am now dropping dosage to 50mg eod and only extending by another 2 weeks, 6 in total. Rather safe than sorry. The tren I have now is much more potent than ones I used previously.
If you can have your kidney function tested while on it would be much safer and you would know where you stand.

Excuse me for saying but FAWRK Mr.Pumper. That's harsh...