clen and heat

hey guys cycled off my heat and started the clen yesterday. (got the tabs, starting at 40mcg/day)
my question is whether or not this dose is effective?, and also I have been reading that clen is in fact catabolic and will burn up protein as well as fat, is this true?(i always thought clen was highly anti-catabolic?)

and last check that my cycling of these products are correct,
clen - 2 wks on 2 wks off
heat - 2 days on 2 days off

thanx guys,
always appreciated :bow

Jayman wrote:

hey guys cycled off my heat and started the clen yesterday. (got the tabs, starting at 40mcg/day)
my question is whether or not this dose is effective?, and also I have been reading that clen is in fact catabolic and will burn up protein as well as fat, is this true?(i always thought clen was highly anti-catabolic?)

and last check that my cycling of these products are correct,
clen - 2 wks on 2 wks off
heat - 2 days on 2 days off

thanx guys,
always appreciated :bow

40mcg of clen might not be too effective as you were on heat initially but its a good dose to start off with, so try it and see if it needs to be increased after two days at 40mcg. Clen has anabolic properties but it also enhances the utilization of free fatty acids for fat loss so you will go catabolic if you aren't eating enough

beesting always a great help
I'm currently on a 3000 calorie per day diet, training twice a day so I shouldn't have a prob.
thanx for the help ma'am

@ Jayman
Are you doing cardio and how much? The clen and heat are most effective if you are doing cardio as cardio makes the free fatty acids available as an energy source. So if you want to ensure that you remain anabolic, as well as lose fat, then dont overdo it on the cardio but like I said if you are eating at maintenance or just above maintenance calories you shouldn't need to worry too much

Start at 40mcg and build to your max dose, no more than 120mcg. When you start your next 2 week cycle then start at 50% of you max dose and build up to that over 3 days

shot netro will do
@beesting - yeah doing cardio first thing in the morning (2km run at medium intensity and a 20min swim) and then HIIT after weight training for 20 min.

Jayman wrote:

shot netro will do
@beesting - yeah doing cardio first thing in the morning (2km run at medium intensity and a 20min swim) and then HIIT after weight training for 20 min.

sounds good to me. Bet you dont have a problem eating after swimming, swimming makes me f***en hungry afterwards but not so much with the heat as it supresses my appetite

haha yes! head back into the house and feel like raiding the fridge but know I can't
lol

Is it ok to take the clen before cardio?

(I do about 60-90 min cardio in the morning)

Thanks

Of course you can, but some people struggle with breathing (during workout/cardio) when taking it before so you will have to try it for yourself.

milktuds wrote:

Of course you can, but some people struggle with breathing (during workout/cardio) when taking it before so you will have to try it for yourself.

Thanks Milktuds karma'd

Yep, i take it before cardio. I guess it depends on your dose and how ur body reacts to it. Just watch ur heart rate and it should all be good

My heart rate after weights is about 140'ish on 1 Heat taken +- 1 hour before training.

On the stationary bike i push it up to 150-160 and keep it there for the duration. It gets up quite easily.

What heart rate have you got after stims?

jackrabbit1 wrote:

My heart rate after weights is about 140'ish on 1 Heat taken +- 1 hour before training.

On the stationary bike i push it up to 150-160 and keep it there for the duration. It gets up quite easily.

What heart rate have you got after stims?

I try to avoid heat when doing weights but sometimes I cant and I feel my pulse hit the roof. So as far as heart rate on weight trainging goes, Im not sure but on heat or clen or clen and lava when doing HIIT my heart rate goes to between 140 and 150 and comes down to about 130 two to three mins later on low intensity cardio

My heart rate goes through the roof when I do heavy cardio...my max HR is 182 and during intervals on the treadmill I hit about 90-95% of max...about 170...I drop it down to about 75% of max an then pump it up again...do it about 4-5 times in a 20 minute session.

During weights I can reach about 85-88% of max depending on the exercise....squats..dead lift etc..

Im not going to use clen after hearing what happens to my heart rate.... it certainly doesn't sound good for me...

00pump wrote:

Im not going to use clen after hearing what happens to my heart rate.... it certainly doesn't sound good for me...

This is why you should do low intensity cardio when on stimulants. If you can monitor your heart ratewhile on clen then you can find a safe and effective dose to be on. With regards to your cicumstances though, i wouldnt take it

Beesting wrote:

00pump wrote:

Im not going to use clen after hearing what happens to my heart rate.... it certainly doesn't sound good for me...

This is why you should do low intensity cardio when on stimulants. If you can monitor your heart ratewhile on clen then you can find a safe and effective dose to be on. With regards to your cicumstances though, i wouldnt take it

I think thats the key to it...you have to have some way to monitor your HR especially when on something that stimulates the resting HR. It would be extremely dangerous to do intense cardio without...

Beesting wrote:

00pump wrote:

Im not going to use clen after hearing what happens to my heart rate.... it certainly doesn't sound good for me...

This is why you should do low intensity cardio when on stimulants. If you can monitor your heart ratewhile on clen then you can find a safe and effective dose to be on. With regards to your cicumstances though, i wouldnt take it

jeah you right... not going to risk it... a man who takes gear and runs away (pct, long break, know what not to take) lives to take gear another day...

00pump wrote:

jeah you right... not going to risk it... a man who takes gear and runs away (pct, long break, know what not to take) lives to take gear another day...

Well said

Clen and Ephedrine will both put my blood pressure up considerably, and I try to avoid high intensity cardio sessions or super heavy weights when I'm on these substances. When cutting I increase my rep range for weightlifting. Of course this is a bit of a catch22 and I'll pump it up occasionally...

Can I still do high intensity cardio when on clen if I monitor my HR. Thing is I don't know exactly what's high intensity...

I walk on the treadmill for 5 min at 5.5km/h then jog for 20min at 9.5 or 10km/h then 5min 5.5km/h to finish it off. Is this low/mod/high intensity?

Can someone give me examples of low and high intensity cardio?

What range should one's HR be at when doing cardio?

Before starting cardio my heart rate is usually 110-120 and goes to 130 with moderate intensity cardio and between 140 and 150 with high intensity cardio. So basically low intensity is sitting on a bike at low resistance and turning the pedals with little effort. Moderate intensity is pushing up the resistance and or speed with putting in 50% effort. High intensity is putting in 100% effort at a high resistance with moderate to high speed. So it will be fine for you to do high intensity cardio with clen as long as you monitor your heart rate. I would prefer HIIT cardio as you dont tire yourself out too quickly and you give yourself and your heart a break, try 30 seconds high intensity cardio and 1 and a half minutes of low to moderate intensity cardio.

When heart rate goes up blood pressure sky rockets, so try to limit the time frame spent in this area while using stimulants.

I see this thread is 2 months old but i have a question here. I ordered clen and will either use it in my cycle or during my pct. I read that clen causes havoc some people's cardio. Is this because of the haertrate going up or because of something else. I had asthma when small and sometimes i get some exercise enduced asthma but not bad. I reckon the clen should do wonders for my cardio since it is used in some asthma medication.

I need to loose some bf and decided on the clen. I do very long cardio sessions at a high avg haertrate. Should i be worried doing this on clen. I sometimes use HEAT before events and like the buzz. Haertrate goes up to around 190 but it does not bother me. Will the clen have simular effect?