New Start

Hi Guys.

Just thought I would update you all on my progress. I managed to now get down to 80 kg from around 103-in about six months or so thanks to the training and the heavy dieting. Can't believe the lifestyle change-even my parents have commented on how I am looking lately!

Recently tore the ligaments in my ankle-was a bit of a screw-up as you all know. Took all your advise and took it easy on the legs-it's paid off; will be able to start training them lightly again as of next week.

Because of the ligament issue, I decided to start on a very light cycle of Deca-as per the advise of some of the older members on the site. I shot today-the second week in, just straight into the glute. Problem is, I had drawn the 1ml out the vial, and my training partner hadn't realised that I had not swapped the needle out for a new one. I am extremely strict on injection protocol, as I have a great deal of respect for this stuff. I am worried now though guys, does this neccessarily mean I will contract an infection?

Advise would be greatly appreciated!

Regards,
Josh.

Not necessarily-did you swab the vial top before drawing? And make sure the injection site was clean? One of the big reasons for swapping the needle out apart from cleanliness is it blunts the needle when drawing from the vial.

BTW what is your cycle? Hope it's not just deca alone?

Yohimbe, yes I did clean the vial top. Also sterilised the glute with an alcohol swab before injecting. Further, I showered straight after training, wiped the cheek with some Savlon and applied a small dab of Germolene to the area.

No Yohimbe, it's not just Deca alone. Perhaps I should just update you on my status.

I am nineteen, in First-Year university, and have always had a weight problem. I played first-team rugby in matric (last year), and was happy with my progress, but then, with the pressures of the course I am studying, and moving out the house etc, my weight spiralled out of control. I was around 103-105kg in a 183cm frame. I have since lost around 20-23kg, with a good diet plan and training regime. Like I said, the ankle gave out, and my partner (who is older, wiser, and far more experienced than I) advised to go on some Deca-a very light dosage. So I researched, and asked around on the forums, and found that a Deca/Sust combo frontloaded with some Dianabol for 3 weeks in the beginning would do me some good. Please understand, it is my first real cycle, but I am not one of these fools who wants to look good for summer, I realise this is a complete lifestyle change, and I will NEVER go back to my old ways. Some members advised to keep it simpler, perhaps to use some Test Enanthate and D-Bol, but I elected to go for the Deca/Sust combo because of the benefits the Deca had on the joints. Your honest opinion?

I am slightly paranoid about today's shot. I will monitor it carefully and update you, but in honesty, do you think I have anything to worry about?

No I think you're fine. Keep an eye on it, but some guys never change needles and haven't heard a great deal about infections. It's more these idiots that drop needles on the floor and then pin. If the vial top was clean and the leg area was clean it'll be fine.

On your cycle, i personally think you're a bit young to be dabbling with steroids. At 19 you're body is in a state high androgen production and hormones are unstable anyway as a teenager.
When you get older you hormones will start to settle, but when you use steroids you are shutting down your natural testosterone production. With you hormones being unstable as it is being a teenager, there is a risk that you can do permanent damage to HTPA equilibrium.
There is always this chance for anyone who uses steorids, but the risk is greater at your age.

Deca is one of the most suppressive steroids there are and if you are going to use, this is a bad choice for preservation of natural test especially at your age. It is true it's very good for the joints, but you have to weigh it up.

IMO drop the deca and stick with the sustanon. How long is your cycle?
I think for a teenager, or anyone under the age of 23, thats going to use, you can either use very low suppressive steroids such as tbol or anavar, but you won't get a great deal in gains.
Or if you are going to use heavier stuff, stick to testosterone only for short cycles of 4-5 weeks and then get off, run a strong pct and allow at least 8-10 weeks between cycles. This would mean using short esters.

You should also use HCG on cycle to limit the shutdown.

First choice is too leave steroids for a couple of years, but I know this isn't what a 19 YO wants to hear.

Good job on losing the weight and sticking to the training program. Just be careful you don't mess up your body dabbling with AAS in the meantime.
You want cycles that will shut you down for the shortest period and allow for maximum recovery.
What is your post cycle going to be?

Alright Yohimbe. I truly appreciate your advise. In your opinion, what should I do now? Like I said, I am only one week in, and so perhaps it is not too late to stop now! Would you advise me on what I should be taking then, and what I should do as a proper PCT?

Look, ultimately, I would want an edge in the gym, but if it's going to do me permanent damage, then it seems there is no point really, isn't it? If that IS the case, then I would stop as of now...I have come very far with a great deal of willpower, proper training, and dieting. I have seen now what I can accomplish without AAS, so if the older members are of the opinion that I should stop, then their advise will definitely be taken heavily into consideration. It's just, like I said, I saw what I was capable of without any chemical help, and so, like any young man who gets hooked on this lifestyle, I wondered what I COULD accomplish with the help of AAS.

DJ, Inja, if you read this, your opinion would also be greatly appreciated (on the infection issue, and the cycle advise).

I personally think you should stop and start pct and hold off the AAS for the future.
Hit the nolva at 40mg/ED for a week, then 30mg/day for week, then 20mg then 10mg.

There are other ways as well to increase natural test production with causing shutdown-none of them as efficient as AAS, but without the risks.

Would also like to hear from Inja and DJ for their opinions, but mine is to stop now and start pct.

Yohimbe, thank you. I really appreciate it. I am glad that there are guys like you out there who are actually looking out for people like me. Would you advise on any OTC supplements to help me achieve my goal? Please bear in mind though that I am a student supporting myself!

stop the cycle dude.start your pct of clomid kessar(if u dont have progesterone sides) and HCG u need to get your body back to normal... 20mg of kessar for 30days is fine,i dont see the need to ramp down yohimbe,that being said thats a personal thing....

djeasye wrote:

stop the cycle dude.start your pct of clomid kessar(if u dont have progesterone sides) and HCG u need to get your body back to normal... 20mg of kessar for 30days is fine,i dont see the need to ramp down yohimbe,that being said thats a personal thing....

I normally don't ramp down either-just thought it might be better for him to ease of the nolva.

If you get off now and run a good pct you'll be fine as you've only been on a week.

Most OTC products are crap, it isn't a regulated market so you're not even sure if what they say they put in is actually what they put in.
Creatine works pretty well and is cheap-you don't need all the expensive crap, just creatine monohydrate.
A lot of guys swear by tribulus, but I've never noticed it offer much. I find high quality ginseng is better.
I read somewhere on here that Pep sells something called 5 Power or something like that-haven't been able to find it yet, but supposed to have quite a good concoction of testosterone and libido enhancing herbs. And it'll be cheap.

You're diet is main thing anyway. LSJ offers very cheap pure whey concentrate powder-check out the thread. It's less than half the price you pay in the shops and is just pure raw product. Supplementing with this will increase your protein and you'll see great gains.

BTW Karma for great attitude and not being hardheaded and open to suggestions-at 19 I would have said f#ckit and just carried on.

Yeah, stop now.

But I'm gonna disagree with the PCT. One week in you come back fine. Don't do any other drugs, for cycle or PCT.
Just get off everything and hope your body just sees it as a hormone blimp. 19 year olds have a lot of that

Inja wrote:

Yeah, stop now.

But I'm gonna disagree with the PCT. One week in you come back fine. Don't do any other drugs, for cycle or PCT.
Just get off everything and hope your body just sees it as a hormone blimp. 19 year olds have a lot of that

Don't you think he should at least run some nolva for a few weeks? Sus has a prop ester so some sort of shut down will have started.

One of the bug problems with playing with hormones is stunting your growth. At 19 you will probably still get taller and definately still widen out some due to bone growth. Increases in estrogen from exogenous testosterone and altering hormone ratios will cap the growing ends of bones and stunt growth. This is why women are generally shorter than men as adults (or at least, one of the reasons).

This is why I think it best to just get off all hormone altering drugs and hope your body sees the test you injected as a minor blimp. The testosterone will be out your system for the most part after two weeks and the deca metabolites will be at low concentrations and shouldn't effect things far down the road. So your HPTA will come back swinging by itself. Especially at your age.

You'll be surprised how many guys under 21 make this AAS mistake, and even after longer cycles without PCT come back with a kicking HPTA. When you young its just easier...

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