Q/A on Deca

I don't know if I am not looking properly, but I was just wondering why most people say that deca is not a good choice for a first cycle?

Just a deca cycle?

Well its just that it appears that most people prefer use other compounds for the first try for instance DB and depot?
and then only in say a third or second cycle they try out deca with other another 2 or 3 compounds?

Why not Deca with DB?

Na i dont like orals only cycle personally. If u do just dbol u gonna see minimul results...

Put up ur stats plz... age BF% years training etc...

Deca is pretty harsh on your system, it causes quite a lot of shut down and thus requires a comprehensive pct. First cycle shouldn't need more than just testo on its own... But then after saying that i also used deca and test together in my first cycle. Of course i lost the majority of my gains due to lack of knowledge at the time. Deca also causes high retention of water and thus can cause rapid weight and mass gains that are mainly water...

Age: 29
Yrs: 1,5
Weight: 75kg struggling my ass off to break that plateau!

Thanks, spike good to know,

So what would be the best for a NOOB!

Deca has to be stacked with test, it shuts down your natural production and if this isn't compensated for you will get no gains whatsoever, as well as a little symptom commonly known as deca dick..! Stack it with some test to make up the levels and you're good to go, at least until you stop the test and you need a good pct to get your balls working again

At 75kg you'll be able to put on at least another 5-10kgs with a proper high calorie diet!

You'll anyway need to figure out your diet first as when you're on juice you also won't grow if you don't eat proper.

Post your diet so we can have a look!

75kgs at 1,5 thats actually pretty bulky considering u quite short. Id say put another 5 - 10kgs on like Vega says but lets see what ur diet is looking like first before we go anywhere from here.

I am not going to go into specific detail but I will give you a daily range, protein is at around 185 - 200gr, carbs around the same amount some times more, divided into 5 meals and 1 to 2 meal supps depending on if I am training or not!
I use a lot of diferent sources of protein to make sure I get a proper range in mostly meat and dairy!

SNOK1986 wrote:

75kgs at 1,5 thats actually pretty bulky considering u quite short. Id say put another 5 - 10kgs on like Vega says but lets see what ur diet is looking like first before we go anywhere from here.

Snok, I think he was saying that he's been training for 1.5 years!

SNOK1986 wrote:

75kgs at 1,5 thats actually pretty bulky considering u quite short. Id say put another 5 - 10kgs on like Vega says but lets see what ur diet is looking like first before we go anywhere from here.

I wont mention that I aint very tall 1,77m, and I don't really have the build for it took me the last seven months to gain 2kgs!

Ja i think the best thing for u to do is get a set diet plan that u can follow and be consistent coz at the end of the day that is what the key is consistency. there is a certain squirrel around these parts that will help u out with a diet.

Once u have got a diet sorted out i would say do this for mass.

week 1 to 4 - dbol @4pills 1st week 2nd week 3 pills until finshed.

Week 1 to 10/12 - testen @500mg a week with deca @ 300mg a week

PCT

- one week after last jab, 1000iu of pregnyl than EOD of 500iu until finshed.
- clomid the next day after last pregnyl jab for 5 days take 1 pill daily than 5 days break than 5 days again.

vega5 wrote:

SNOK1986 wrote:

75kgs at 1,5 thats actually pretty bulky considering u quite short. Id say put another 5 - 10kgs on like Vega says but lets see what ur diet is looking like first before we go anywhere from here.

Snok, I think he was saying that he's been training for 1.5 years!

Sorry my bad must be all this rain we having in durbs :blush:

Demoboy wrote:

I am not going to go into specific detail but I will give you a daily range, protein is at around 185 - 200gr, carbs around the same amount some times more, divided into 5 meals and 1 to 2 meal supps depending on if I am training or not!
I use a lot of diferent sources of protein to make sure I get a proper range in mostly meat and dairy!

You sound like a classic thin dude,"hard gainer", so you can afford to eat twice that many carbs and that's very important for growth! Try to rather eat beef instead of chicken cause' IMO its a lot better if you want to put on some extra muscle!

Bump laying out a full detailed diet-this is more important than the gear.

Deca shuts your natural test production down very hard and has active metabolites that stay in your blood stream for a long time, which makes it very hard to recover from.

O yea the squirrel with the bulging biceps, thanks Snok!
I will have another look into that second cycle maybe swap the deca for some thing with less water retention!

Alright awesome, if u do wanna swop the deca equipoise wud prob be ur best bet.

Hey demoboy, you probably won't like what I have to say, but here it is:
I'm 1.78m tall, weight 80kg, bf 12%.
AND I still have quite a lot to gain without juice!
I want 40cm arms, naturally! :rock
Listen to the guys, get your diet sorted first and grow some more,
Juice won't be completely effective unless you can hold together a proper diet!
After 3 years in the gym, you should know your body, and what training + diet it responds well to!
Patience young grasshopper!

Yeah man I keep forgetting your natural.
Kudos!


Demo:
Apart from being harsh on the system I also think it best not to do deca in the first cycle because if you do test alone you learn how your body responds to steroids, are you sensitive to DHT (you'll never know on deca), do you have estrogen sides, how are your gains, whats recovery like, etc... Once you learn these things you can go on to find the perfect drugs for your own body.

Also (this is my opinion) WHY would you ever want to use deca? Unless you got some join injuries or something in that manner why on earth would you touch deca. Equi has a similar function to Deca if not identical and also comes with the mad appetite. Deca shuts you down HARD sits in the system for so long. I would NEVER touch it. There are just no reasons to take deca with Mr Equipose around.

Lesa wrote:

Also (this is my opinion) WHY would you ever want to use deca? Unless you got some join injuries or something in that manner why on earth would you touch deca. Equi has a similar function to Deca if not identical and also comes with the mad appetite. Deca shuts you down HARD sits in the system for so long. I would NEVER touch it. There are just no reasons to take deca with Mr Equipose around.

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I'll second you on the shut down aspect but bro, I gained way more mass on Deca-Test than EQ-Test as same concentrations. And it wasn't just water, post cycle I had more lean mass. I attribute it to the better strength gains as well as the extra water I was carryin that helped me gain more mass.

All in all though I use EQ over Deca, for me the shut down was really hard, and I struggled to hold on to the mass. EQ is much smoother sailin post cycle.