Help me become half the man im now, please.

Hi guys,

What a great surprise it was finding a local authority on the topic of health & wellness.. on NOS
I turn 27 tomorrow, weigh 132kg & 1.95m tall. Imo, i need to dump around 45kg of fat to be where i should.
I've been doing 30mins of cardio, 6 days p/week since Xmas day, and feel that I've now set a good foundation to introduce "NOS" to the equation. I've been advised on Anavar, Clen & Winstrol as the tools for the job. Is that the best in your opinion(s)?

In 2002 i lost 66Kg (from 144Kg to 78Kg) in 5 months with the help of next2none solid foods, a stationary bike, 4 x ecstacy pills p/day & being in a country where nobody knew me. Shortly after i returned home & managed to maintain that weight until mid-2006 when i weighed 85kg. I'd like to get as close possible to these results , but not the same method. So any advice you are kind enough to offer to getting as close possible to those results, using your method of diet/supplements/training & lifestyle, I would really appreciate!

I hope this is enough info to kick off from, but if there is anything else, ask - I'm an open book while in your hands.

Regards,
Derick Cain

[If anyone here knows me, be nice - Don't mention it!! :]

Before you even consider stimulants and anabolics, you need to get a good diet sorted out first. Why oh why did you let yourself gain all that weight back, i hope this time you plan to keep it off. Well Im glad you dont plan to use the same method again, the ecstasy that is. What does your diet look like currently and are you doing any weight training in addition to the cardio? Weight training is just as important as cardio, if not then better

Steroids (winnie and var) will not help you lose weight. What you need is an attitide adjustment. To lose all that weight and gain it back speaks volumes. You need to change your lifestyle for the better and stick to it. Its a big decision and an even bigger transformation. You need to decide if your capable of doing it and then stick to it. Good diet, good exercise routine. Throw in some weight lifting, and your good to go. Drop another thirty kg's before even considering stimulants like clen.

Hi Beesting,
Thanks for the reply man!

I'm not doing any weight training, only cardio right now. The extra 50+ Kg's i carry around atm really takes a toll on my back & joints - Something inside tells me I'm going to hurt myself if i do it before losing some weight - please correct me if I'm wrong.

My diet i only started on 28/12 [Couldn't miss momma's Xmas meal.. or the left-overs the next two days :]
5 meals p/day & EAS Synergy whey shake as night cap. Totaling around 360g [of which +/- 200g from food] protein, 80g carbohydrates & under 50g fat p/day.

The reason why i gained the weight back was a combo of a drunken dare with buddies that i couldn't do it all over again, and a USN competition running at that time (I figured the more dramatic result in before/after might give me a better chance at being a finalist) It took 6 months of hard work till Jan 2007 to gain about 30kg, when i weighed 113kg. That's the point at which the comp. wasn't enough motivation anymore i suppose, and i ditched. Getting from there to where I am now was all the mirrors fault :]

Increase your cardio.
If you feel your going to hurt yourself weight training start light. But you need to make those muscles hungry.

Hi Inja,

Thanks for the reply & your no-fluff approach - I respect it.
I won't waste anyone's time trying to convince of my motivation - It really means nothing anyway [can't eat it :]
Like you say its the sticking to the decision that is all that matters - And (un)fortunately that can only be judged after the result has been achieved.

The only thing i have authority to speak on, & can tell the guys here, is that a "fat" mentality absolutely has to, and does, go with a fat body - you become in every way, the "fat" person (or character we often see in movies) that all of us in society today secretly [or some openly] cringe at - No matter if you've lived fat all your life, or just try it as a short/medium term experiment. I guarantee you i would've still been there hadn't it been for the birth of my son [the coolest little dude born in a looong time - promise :] Thats really is the only reason why i will pull through with this, but yet still, with such a big motivation & having done the "right" things everyday for 3 weeks already [which already is more than the time it is said to concrete any new habit], I still each day have to fight temptation and thoughts of letting go & taking the tasty way out.. And i don't see it going away until the "fit" side of me shows again & holds market share. So now that i've identified the enemy, you may understand a little better [even if you still don't agree with me] why I'm so keen to start getting positive results asap.

Either which way, i did get myself in this position & also came here for all your informed opinions & advices, so i'll be weary not to question it, though i have to just ask.. Is there no stimulant you could advise using before I've lost 30kg's on "rice & water", so to speak?

first things first you need to add in weight training dude,u need to increase the muscle mass u have on your large frame,remember the more muscle u have the more fat u will burn,its like a 1.4l engine vs 4.5l v8,u can put R100 petrol in both tanks and the 1.4l will get u 150km where as u will get 30km in the v8's tank.. so therefor the more muscle mass u have on your frame the more fuel(stored energy/body fat) u will burn..so u need to increase the weight training not only doing cardio. second thing your cardio for your frame must be low intensity and when u get leaner u can do hiit training,the reason i say this is cos your joints and knees are gonna take a beating if u try high intensity with that large amount of extra weight...now the main thing,your diet,first off u have shut your metabolism down,having 50g carbs and 30g fat or what ever it is,is gonna slow your metabolism to the speed of a snail through a salt patch,u have put your body into starvation by not feeding it enough... that being said i think u should honestly look at doing a keto diet,with that amount of fat u will drop very quickly on keto and u get to have a cheat meal once a week that benefits your metabolism,the only thing is with keto,what u see is what u get,no extra meals,no less meals,no snacks just pure dieting and will power,the reason i think u should also consider keto is because i think u maybe very insulin resistant so u will over secrete insulin with your carb meals and will end up storing them,that with a servere case of over eating has maybe gotten u to your obese state... if u need a custom diet u can email me at EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED but note i do charge but will get u to your goal weight...

So if i sum up all the advice, we stand at..

1] Follow a Keto diet which dj can help with.
2] Incorporate weight training with cardio. [Which body parts/how many days of WT & cardio? Can i stick to stationary bike as only source of cardio?]
3] First drop 30kg before considering to use any steroids?

Anything else someone would think i should add/remove?
Thanks again for all the input.

Regards,
Derick

do a 4 days split, monday : legs and abs, tuesday chest and tri's wednesday rest thursday back and biceps friday shoulders and abs.

first drop 45kgs,train for 2-3 years consistently and then use steroids...

Just my 2cents...

I think beginner lifters would do well with total body training for the first 6 months.

1 basic movement for each muscle group.
2 warmup sets and 3 work sets only.
Mon,Wed and Fri. The other days are rest.

Thanks again dj & BB_

@dj - Something i just realized i haven't been clear on at all.. I am in no way interested in using any stimulants/substances except protein to gain muscle, but only to "cut" [Although i don't think I've the right to call what I'm doing "cutting" - But it boils down to the same thing ]

So now that I realize you're actually telling me I'm never going to use any juice, since i need to lose nearly all of the weight on rice water, and then anyway being nearly 90% finished with my goal], I'm actually pretty damn disappointed, heh. I mean i have the supportive better half who practically is cheering me on with a cry of "Pin!!, Pin!!, Pin!!, Pin!!, Pin!!!", and everything. Could've been a jol I'm gonna go sulk for a while & then try come up with a strategy to convince my wife to let me get a couple hundred grams of pharmaceutical grade Ephedrine crystals. Those ones in the 20g containers by some company starting with a "B"

At least much better than ecstasy pills in terms of informed risks i am willing to take.
Cool dj, I'll mail you re. getting started on a Keto.
Thanks again & I definitely won't stop to come here & hang with a couple of you guys.

Derick

Dude my diets aren't rice and water,u get to have full eggs,peanut butter,chicken,nuts,red meat and whey protein.its just the quantities that i need to adjust to your stats to get u ripped,i will not be giving u any advice on muti etc in regards to getting ripped,diet is 90% and i can tell u right now that u dropped so much weight when taking pills was cos u didn't eat and starved yourself,and u won't find eph crystals in this country as its a schedule 7 drug.i will get u ripped with out any drugs.

Just up the xtc pills to 6 a day and you'll do it in half the time! haha just kidding man!

Well done for deciding to take the first step, dj was also a little fatty but has since then acheived tons! listen to him and let him help u with a diet!

@dj - By 'rice and water' i just meant without any stimulants. But I'm glad you misinterpreted, because i never thought a healthy (let alone a weight loss) diet could have the kinda foods you mentioned in it! And you do get BP ephedrine in SA although not that easy since the quantities allowed in the country are now regulated per month (i heard this from the guy i get it from :]

@BigW - I've heard that good ecstasy pills are anyway as scarce as chicken teeth in SA, so even 6 x p/day won't help Makes the decision to not go that route just so much easier!

Cheers,

djeasye wrote:

Dude my diets aren't rice and water,u get to have full eggs,peanut butter,chicken,nuts,red meat and whey protein.its just the quantities that i need to adjust to your stats to get u ripped,i will not be giving u any advice on muti etc in regards to getting ripped,diet is 90% and i can tell u right now that u dropped so much weight when taking pills was cos u didn't eat and starved yourself,and u won't find eph crystals in this country as its a schedule 7 drug.i will get u ripped with out any drugs.

Ephadrine. You will find it you just have to know the right people. Most guys using pseudo these days but The real maccoy is still around but very undercover. But for BBs there always will be Ephadrine because its small dosages that you actually use. Eph has been an issue in SA cause of meth and kat and organised vrime unit has been on this like flies on shit for the last couple of years.Pills break down muscle as well its got something to do with protein breakdown in your system stay away from that shit my friend.