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too early for gear but i dont care
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test not more than 500mg a week mondays and thursdays for 8-10 weeks.
dbol first 3-4weeks max at 30mg per day
remember pct
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i posted a while back and everyone gave me a lecture on how i am wasting my time well ive decided im going to go through with it in anyway. my stats are im 24 years old aproc 71kgs bout 14-16% body fat aprox 170cm what im asking is what would be the best course to atempt for a begginer i was advised to just do a winstrol cycle then i was told a winstrol deca course i want to grow as much as i can on this course with the least amount of harmfull side effects plus i want to keep the most amount of wait possible since this course will be once off please can some one advise me on a course that would be closest to what im looking for please help and dont try judge or change my mind
Body-fat % is too high. You are just gonna get fatter.
If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.
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However the cycle choice is-who advised you to do a winny only cycle? Or even a winny deca cycle?
The basis of any cycle needs to be testosterone.
THe best cycle for you wouold be a 12 week course of test enth/cyp with maybe a frontload of either dbol or something milder such as tbol.
For gaining size the best you can do is
Weeks 1-12 Test enth 500mg/week
Weeks 1-4 dbol 40mg per day or tbol at 60mg per day-I would go with the tbol as your bodyfat is tending towards the high side and dbol has a lot of aromatisation which can increase bodyfat and retain water. Tbol has virtually no aromatisation and no water retention.
Adex at 0.5mg per day as anti e
HCG weeks 5-7 at 1,000iu per week (split across 3 injections)
PCT:
Weeks 13-15 HCG 1,000iu per week (split across three injections)
Weeks 14-18 Nolvadex 40mg per day
Make sure you're getting plenty of EFA's and vit c throughout cycle and esp in pct.
THe final thing that will make or break the cycle is diet-if your diet is not on you will be wasting your time. You need to be getting 350g protein per day minimum. Keep carbs low, only pre and post workout otherwise you will gain fat. Look into the keto diet to mainain muscle and strip bodyfat. Otherwise you'll gain size, but bodyfat along with it.
Before starting make sure you have all the elements in place and understand each of the drugs and what they do. And make sure you're diet is spot on. Contact DJ for a custom diet-this is the most important thing to a cycle.
Good luck
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You should be avoiding mass gainers and just using whey protein. Limit carbs to pre and post workout.
I was under the impression it was an age thing, not training experience. I wouldn't suggest trying a cycle until you have a solid year under your belt. At 24 you have enough testosterone to get decent gains with a solid diet. AAS are when you have reached your genetic potential-not a quick fix.
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if u want a custom diet where i take out all the guess work u can email me and i will do all that for u... but i do charge
as per rules of the forum we cant discuss prices etc... u need to get hold of your supplier and ask him all those questions...
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keep the dose low, max 500mg/week
Eat clean, dont worry about bulking
you will lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, creating an over-all effect in the end that not even 15years of natural training will do for you
there is no such thing as a once off cycle though
now go for it, get hungry and unleash yourself!
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btw there are cures for baldness for people below 30. its just anti-bb so i dont recommend it
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:laugh:,
If everybody does it, is it still cheating?
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If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.
Bruce Lee
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If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.
Bruce Lee
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Sorry if I offend you
Its just my point of view
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So point being is to start conservative, familiarise yourself with the substances. Read as much as you can and you will end up saving alot of money because of correct/educated choices
Good luck bro
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Take the advice and go for a test only cycle for ur 1st one. When i joined i was adament doing a deca cycle because that was what i heard about. Took these guys' advice and did a very low test en cycle (250mg/week) to see how my body reacts. Im 10 weeks in now and get pretty decent results at that low dosage. Im gaining weight and loosing bf. Now that i know how my body reacts i will add something with the test in my next cycle.
So point being is to start conservative, familiarise yourself with the substances. Read as much as you can and you will end up saving alot of money because of correct/educated choices
Good luck bro
250mgs a week?? What was ur weight before and after cycle which pct did u use?
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Take the advice and go for a test only cycle for ur 1st one. When i joined i was adament doing a deca cycle because that was what i heard about. Took these guys' advice and did a very low test en cycle (250mg/week) to see how my body reacts. Im 10 weeks in now and get pretty decent results at that low dosage. Im gaining weight and loosing bf. Now that i know how my body reacts i will add something with the test in my next cycle.
So point being is to start conservative, familiarise yourself with the substances. Read as much as you can and you will end up saving alot of money because of correct/educated choices
Good luck bro
I'm really glad to see it worked out bro. Like I keep saying so many of us keep forgetting how hardcore that first cycle is.
Isn't it amazing how the guys that actually take in our advice walk away with the results.
For your next cycle you can play around with increasing dosages or stacking in compounds depending on your goals. But never stop listening to your body. When side effects come in to play down the line you will will be able to pin down exactly what's causing it.
Sorry if I offend you
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ABC01 wrote:
Take the advice and go for a test only cycle for ur 1st one. When i joined i was adament doing a deca cycle because that was what i heard about. Took these guys' advice and did a very low test en cycle (250mg/week) to see how my body reacts. Im 10 weeks in now and get pretty decent results at that low dosage. Im gaining weight and loosing bf. Now that i know how my body reacts i will add something with the test in my next cycle.
So point being is to start conservative, familiarise yourself with the substances. Read as much as you can and you will end up saving alot of money because of correct/educated choices
Good luck bro
250mgs a week?? What was ur weight before and after cycle which pct did u use?
My weight before was 74/75kg and bf about 15/16%. 10 weeks into my 12 week cycle im at 81kg and 11.5/12% bf. I follow a diet from the squirrel man and it helps alot. I have to add that muscle building is not my main objective because im into endurence sports. My initial aproach was to use it for recovery purposes mainly. I only do weight training 2x per week,the other days im doing other stuff. Since seeing how my body reacts my goals changed a bit to be honest. Im more focused on overall fitness and enjoy the muscle building properties that comes with it. I might bump up my weight training to 3 x per week but am afraid of gaining to much weight. For my next cycle im tossing in equi to the mix and trying super test. Cant wait. My PCT at the end of this cycle will be HCG at 500mg EOD for 2 weeks with kesser at 20mg per day for 4 weeks. I reckon that should be sufficient (i hope).
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.Take the advice and go for a test only cycle for ur 1st one. When i joined i was adament doing a deca cycle because that was what i heard about. Took these guys' advice and did a very low test en cycle (250mg/week) to see how my body reacts. Im 10 weeks in now and get pretty decent results at that low dosage. Im gaining weight and loosing bf. Now that i know how my body reacts i will add something with the test in my next cycle.
So point being is to start conservative, familiarise yourself with the substances. Read as much as you can and you will end up saving alot of money because of correct/educated choices
Good luck bro
Agreed, very good advice, well done.
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