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My 2nd cycle what should it be.
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I think not, u clearly show you have done no/little research, sort out your PCT now then spend a couple of months learning and then reconsider doing a cycleSo what do i do from here guys should i do my next cycle or not and when?
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next cycle once you have done research, stay away from sust personally, never bought into its value, ideally needs to be used every 2nd day = high weekly dosage for a begginner etc etc etc
i would seriously just consider a test enanthate only cycle at 600mg a week split evenly in 2 shots over the week.run 12 weeks go into solid pct , make sure diet and training are 100% and away you go. some of my best gains have been off test only cycles.
thats my 2c anyways
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What was your last cycle, doses etc...
I know its 8 weeks later but you should do a PCT now, get some clomiphene or tamoxifen and run it for a few weeks.
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Just to correct in case it's misread, time on + PCT time = time off.
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Not quite bro, if you look at the halflives of the individual compounds you'll see it's fine to inject sustanon once or twice a week and still get stable blood levels... As for high doses, You can take 500mg a week of sust and see better gains than 500mg of testen a week, because it starts working sooner and because 500mg of sust actually contains more testosterone.
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What was your last cycle, doses etc...
I know its 8 weeks later but you should do a PCT now, get some clomiphene or tamoxifen and run it for a few weeks.
Mr. Pumper:
Just to correct in case it's misread, time on + PCT time = time off.
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Not quite bro, if you look at the halflives of the individual compounds you'll see it's fine to inject sustanon once or twice a week and still get stable blood levels... As for high doses, You can take 500mg a week of sust and see better gains than 500mg of testen a week, because it starts working sooner and because 500mg of sust actually contains more testosterone.
hey inja, for me personally the proponaite component is what worries me , if i do prop its always ed worst case eod , i am a stickler for constant blood levels as far as possible (suffered the sides of up and down levels
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Best practice is to inject on the shortest ester on blends to utilize the full effect of the blend. @30mg it might not be feasible to most as that is a very low concentration of test.
Normal practice is 2 x p/week on sus (mon, thurs) as pointed out
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The more frequent shots the more stable your levels will be, no matter the ester attached.
Best practice is to inject on the shortest ester on blends to utilize the full effect of the blend. @30mg it might not be feasible to most as that is a very low concentration of test.
Normal practice is 2 x p/week on sus (mon, thurs) as pointed out
I don't understand this as it shows stable plazma levels of Deca for 10 days, so I don't see how shooting it twice a week would be any different shooting it once a week? Or am i missing something. If you look at the active life of Deca for 10 days it stays on the same line then drops off badly.
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Netro wrote:
The more frequent shots the more stable your levels will be, no matter the ester attached.
Best practice is to inject on the shortest ester on blends to utilize the full effect of the blend. @30mg it might not be feasible to most as that is a very low concentration of test.
Normal practice is 2 x p/week on sus (mon, thurs) as pointed out
I don't understand this as it shows stable plazma levels of Deca for 10 days, so I don't see how shooting it twice a week would be any different shooting it once a week? Or am i missing something. If you look at the active life of Deca for 10 days it stays on the same line then drops off badly.
He is speaking about Sus,not deca
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Please could you explain this Inja?
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Have you gone for comprehensive blood tests yet? If not then go and do a full blood count, test, free test and liver function to check if you by any chance recovered naturally.So what do i do from here guys should i do my next cycle or not and when?
Then from there you/we can decide on a way forward.
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00pump wrote:
Netro wrote:
The more frequent shots the more stable your levels will be, no matter the ester attached.
Best practice is to inject on the shortest ester on blends to utilize the full effect of the blend. @30mg it might not be feasible to most as that is a very low concentration of test.
Normal practice is 2 x p/week on sus (mon, thurs) as pointed out
I don't understand this as it shows stable plazma levels of Deca for 10 days, so I don't see how shooting it twice a week would be any different shooting it once a week? Or am i missing something. If you look at the active life of Deca for 10 days it stays on the same line then drops off badly.[/quote
He is speaking about Sus,not deca
I know however sustanon shows stable levels even longer than 10 days more around 12..
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Tippster wrote:
Inja the sexy beast said:
As for high doses, You can take 500mg a week of sust and see better gains than 500mg of testen a week, because it starts working sooner and because 500mg of sust actually contains more testosterone.
Please could you explain this Inja?
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Hey bud,
Well firstly it starts working sooner because the propionate, phenylprop, and isocaproate esters are cleaved off sooner, so the levels of test rise quicker and stable blood levels are reached quicker (as prop drops, phenylprop and isocap levels rise, then as they drop long ester rises, and the cycle repeats until stable levels reached) and thus the gains come in quicker.
Secondly, the shorter the ester the more testosterone the compound holds at a specific weight. For instance Testosterone propionate has a molecular weight of ~344g/mol, while testosterone cypionate has a molecular weight of ~412g/mol, this is because it has a bigger ester. Thus 100mg of testosterone propionate will contain roughly 17.06 million molecules of testosterone while 100mg of testosterone cypionate will contain roughly 14.24 million molecules of testosterone. Thus you can see TC has only 83.5% of ester free testosterone compared to TP. Thus the more short esters a compound contains, the more testosterone it contains. More test = more gains.
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Tippster wrote:
Inja the sexy beast said:
As for high doses, You can take 500mg a week of sust and see better gains than 500mg of testen a week, because it starts working sooner and because 500mg of sust actually contains more testosterone.
Please could you explain this Inja?
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Hey bud,
Well firstly it starts working sooner because the propionate, phenylprop, and isocaproate esters are cleaved off sooner, so the levels of test rise quicker and stable blood levels are reached quicker (as prop drops, phenylprop and isocap levels rise, then as they drop long ester rises, and the cycle repeats until stable levels reached) and thus the gains come in quicker.
Secondly, the shorter the ester the more testosterone the compound holds at a specific weight. For instance Testosterone propionate has a molecular weight of ~344g/mol, while testosterone cypionate has a molecular weight of ~412g/mol, this is because it has a bigger ester. Thus 100mg of testosterone propionate will contain roughly 17.06 million molecules of testosterone while 100mg of testosterone cypionate will contain roughly 14.24 million molecules of testosterone. Thus you can see TC has only 83.5% of ester free testosterone compared to TP. Thus the more short esters a compound contains, the more testosterone it contains. More test = more gains.
Thanks Inja - I understand fully now
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The heavier the ester, the less actual compound.
The confusing thing for me is this. Prop has higher concentration per ml than say Cypionate, which = more Test, more Test = more aromatising. But, end of the day Prop gives dryier gains.
Please somebody shed some light on this
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