My 2nd cycle what should it be.

I completed my first cycle ,I took a 8 week cycle if decca and sus,just to put you guys into the picture i am 35 years and weight 86kgs,8 weeks later i have lost 4 kilos and gained alot of strenght and defintion.When should i start my next cycle and what should i used, i am looking to gain lean muscle. :S

what did you PCT look like?

To be quite honest i never did any is that a bad thing?

yip pct is essential even more so at your age.

OK so where do i go from here then?any advice tips....for my next cycle.

Very import to do PCT or else you just putting your body under strain (heart, etc) when your test levels are too low it is shown that it increases your risk of heart disease.

So what do i do from here guys should i do my next cycle or not and when?

nakhooda wrote:

So what do i do from here guys should i do my next cycle or not and when?

I think not, u clearly show you have done no/little research, sort out your PCT now then spend a couple of months learning and then reconsider doing a cycle

So you have just stopped your cycle right now? And done 0 PCT? I would do PCT and normally good rule of thumb stay off as long as you where on... Use that time to brief yourself on further topics and prepare for your next cycle. What gear to use is the smallest of your concerns, you need to educate yourself as much as possible then post up what you believe is a good strategy, starting from your diet, to your cycle to your PCT and people can help advise/correct it... You can't be spoon fed.

what they said but my 2 cents, considering it was only 8 weeks probably no real harm done other than its going to be sluggish getting your own test back into production, again, age counts against you and this is assuming your in good health.

next cycle once you have done research, stay away from sust personally, never bought into its value, ideally needs to be used every 2nd day = high weekly dosage for a begginner etc etc etc

i would seriously just consider a test enanthate only cycle at 600mg a week split evenly in 2 shots over the week.run 12 weeks go into solid pct , make sure diet and training are 100% and away you go. some of my best gains have been off test only cycles.

thats my 2c anyways

Thank you guys

also the muscle loss could've been from incorrect diet bro... to loose 10% of your strength and gains coming off cycle is acceptable if u are holding water etc but to loose alot of your gains u need to look at your nutrition

nakhooda:
What was your last cycle, doses etc...
I know its 8 weeks later but you should do a PCT now, get some clomiphene or tamoxifen and run it for a few weeks.

Mr. Pumper:
Just to correct in case it's misread, time on + PCT time = time off.

Gearedup:
Not quite bro, if you look at the halflives of the individual compounds you'll see it's fine to inject sustanon once or twice a week and still get stable blood levels... As for high doses, You can take 500mg a week of sust and see better gains than 500mg of testen a week, because it starts working sooner and because 500mg of sust actually contains more testosterone.

Thanks for correction Inja

Inja wrote:

nakhooda:
What was your last cycle, doses etc...
I know its 8 weeks later but you should do a PCT now, get some clomiphene or tamoxifen and run it for a few weeks.

Mr. Pumper:
Just to correct in case it's misread, time on + PCT time = time off.

Gearedup:
Not quite bro, if you look at the halflives of the individual compounds you'll see it's fine to inject sustanon once or twice a week and still get stable blood levels... As for high doses, You can take 500mg a week of sust and see better gains than 500mg of testen a week, because it starts working sooner and because 500mg of sust actually contains more testosterone.

hey inja, for me personally the proponaite component is what worries me , if i do prop its always ed worst case eod , i am a stickler for constant blood levels as far as possible (suffered the sides of up and down levels ) although maybe its not such a big issue at 30mg of susts overall total ?

The more frequent shots the more stable your levels will be, no matter the ester attached.

Best practice is to inject on the shortest ester on blends to utilize the full effect of the blend. @30mg it might not be feasible to most as that is a very low concentration of test.

Normal practice is 2 x p/week on sus (mon, thurs) as pointed out

250mg sus and 1ml decca mixed.Took a shot every Tuesday.Started my cycle Mid december and last shot was sometime end of february.

Netro wrote:

The more frequent shots the more stable your levels will be, no matter the ester attached.

Best practice is to inject on the shortest ester on blends to utilize the full effect of the blend. @30mg it might not be feasible to most as that is a very low concentration of test.

Normal practice is 2 x p/week on sus (mon, thurs) as pointed out

I don't understand this as it shows stable plazma levels of Deca for 10 days, so I don't see how shooting it twice a week would be any different shooting it once a week? Or am i missing something. If you look at the active life of Deca for 10 days it stays on the same line then drops off badly.

00pump wrote:

Netro wrote:

The more frequent shots the more stable your levels will be, no matter the ester attached.

Best practice is to inject on the shortest ester on blends to utilize the full effect of the blend. @30mg it might not be feasible to most as that is a very low concentration of test.

Normal practice is 2 x p/week on sus (mon, thurs) as pointed out

I don't understand this as it shows stable plazma levels of Deca for 10 days, so I don't see how shooting it twice a week would be any different shooting it once a week? Or am i missing something. If you look at the active life of Deca for 10 days it stays on the same line then drops off badly.

He is speaking about Sus,not deca

As for high doses, You can take 500mg a week of sust and see better gains than 500mg of testen a week, because it starts working sooner and because 500mg of sust actually contains more testosterone.

Please could you explain this Inja?

Thanks

nakhooda wrote:

So what do i do from here guys should i do my next cycle or not and when?

Have you gone for comprehensive blood tests yet? If not then go and do a full blood count, test, free test and liver function to check if you by any chance recovered naturally.

Then from there you/we can decide on a way forward.

tiny wrote:

00pump wrote:

Netro wrote:

The more frequent shots the more stable your levels will be, no matter the ester attached.

Best practice is to inject on the shortest ester on blends to utilize the full effect of the blend. @30mg it might not be feasible to most as that is a very low concentration of test.

Normal practice is 2 x p/week on sus (mon, thurs) as pointed out

I don't understand this as it shows stable plazma levels of Deca for 10 days, so I don't see how shooting it twice a week would be any different shooting it once a week? Or am i missing something. If you look at the active life of Deca for 10 days it stays on the same line then drops off badly.[/quote

He is speaking about Sus,not deca

I know however sustanon shows stable levels even longer than 10 days more around 12..

Tippster wrote:

Inja the sexy beast said:
As for high doses, You can take 500mg a week of sust and see better gains than 500mg of testen a week, because it starts working sooner and because 500mg of sust actually contains more testosterone.

Please could you explain this Inja?

Thanks

Hey bud,
Well firstly it starts working sooner because the propionate, phenylprop, and isocaproate esters are cleaved off sooner, so the levels of test rise quicker and stable blood levels are reached quicker (as prop drops, phenylprop and isocap levels rise, then as they drop long ester rises, and the cycle repeats until stable levels reached) and thus the gains come in quicker.

Secondly, the shorter the ester the more testosterone the compound holds at a specific weight. For instance Testosterone propionate has a molecular weight of ~344g/mol, while testosterone cypionate has a molecular weight of ~412g/mol, this is because it has a bigger ester. Thus 100mg of testosterone propionate will contain roughly 17.06 million molecules of testosterone while 100mg of testosterone cypionate will contain roughly 14.24 million molecules of testosterone. Thus you can see TC has only 83.5% of ester free testosterone compared to TP. Thus the more short esters a compound contains, the more testosterone it contains. More test = more gains.

Inja wrote:

Tippster wrote:

Inja the sexy beast said:
As for high doses, You can take 500mg a week of sust and see better gains than 500mg of testen a week, because it starts working sooner and because 500mg of sust actually contains more testosterone.

Please could you explain this Inja?

Thanks

Hey bud,
Well firstly it starts working sooner because the propionate, phenylprop, and isocaproate esters are cleaved off sooner, so the levels of test rise quicker and stable blood levels are reached quicker (as prop drops, phenylprop and isocap levels rise, then as they drop long ester rises, and the cycle repeats until stable levels reached) and thus the gains come in quicker.

Secondly, the shorter the ester the more testosterone the compound holds at a specific weight. For instance Testosterone propionate has a molecular weight of ~344g/mol, while testosterone cypionate has a molecular weight of ~412g/mol, this is because it has a bigger ester. Thus 100mg of testosterone propionate will contain roughly 17.06 million molecules of testosterone while 100mg of testosterone cypionate will contain roughly 14.24 million molecules of testosterone. Thus you can see TC has only 83.5% of ester free testosterone compared to TP. Thus the more short esters a compound contains, the more testosterone it contains. More test = more gains.

Thanks Inja - I understand fully now

Have some karma

This has confused me for ages.

The heavier the ester, the less actual compound.
The confusing thing for me is this. Prop has higher concentration per ml than say Cypionate, which = more Test, more Test = more aromatising. But, end of the day Prop gives dryier gains.
Please somebody shed some light on this