Question about testosterone and rugby

Hey guys.

This is my first post.
I just want to know, i am in the gym now for atleast 4 years, with my diet being so-so. When i started my weight was about 65kg. I am 185cm, 26 years old. Now i am on 98kg with about 20% bf. Genetically speaking, i am much bigger than my father and also my brother. So imho i am close to my genetic limit (correct me if i am wrong please)
I am also playing rugby. Not pro, just club. My question is this: I know my bf is to high to start a test only cycle, you guys have made it VERY clear on other threads and i have also read and read and read and read about gear. For me playing rugby, it is 'better' to have a little bit of fat. Why would it be a problem for me (rugby player, not pro bodybuilder doing contest etc) to do a cycle?? Sorry if i am all over the place...

Hey bud! Try too drop a bit bf then go on cycle. I am myself not very lean and am on cycle but just adjust your diet accordingly and you will reap the benefits. I am on 750mg Test Cyp & Dbol and with diet from da man DJ I am getting leaner and picking up size nicely!

because at a higher level of body fat your body is used to storing calories in fat cells and not in the muscle,what u want to do is be low level body fat so your muscles use the calories and your body doesnt store them,the fatter u are the more likely u are going to put on more fat vs putting on muscle.

I see. So for me, playing rugby and all, what would you say would be the 'ideal' bf% or the max bf%?

12%

missiondh wrote:

Hey bud! Try too drop a bit bf then go on cycle. I am myself not very lean and am on cycle but just adjust your diet accordingly and you will reap the benefits. I am on 750mg Test Cyp & Dbol and with diet from da man DJ I am getting leaner and picking up size nicely!

12% sounds do-able. Dj, from what i understand from the above, is that missiondh is getting leaner and he is sizing up. I assume him 'not very lean' is still lower than mine

yip,he is doing just that,but its not an easy task...it is performable but i would rather have guys lower levels of bf before bulking as if they suffer from estrogen related fat accumulation then any long ester test is out the question without some form of ai.

Thanx alot. Will drop the bf% first.

missiondh wrote:

Hey bud! Try too drop a bit bf then go on cycle. I am myself not very lean and am on cycle but just adjust your diet accordingly and you will reap the benefits. I am on 750mg Test Cyp & Dbol and with diet from da man DJ I am getting leaner and picking up size nicely!

Hi Missiondh,

I am on the same cycle 0nly 500Test per week though, I just finished my first week of cycyle and the only difference thus far is quick recovery and alittle more stamina, no strengh or size yet, how long till you see valid results? I have a funny build not fat nor very big but I pick up weight very quickly Not CM so it must be muscle mass I normally weight around 96KG but i was on 110KG this morning when I got on the scale I do eat plenty but I forgot to weigh before my cycle started so i am worried? Don't wanna be fat worked hard to get to 11% fat.

Mainly I am just wondering in which week the real results will appear?

Thanks

Beastie wrote:

missiondh wrote:

Hey bud! Try too drop a bit bf then go on cycle. I am myself not very lean and am on cycle but just adjust your diet accordingly and you will reap the benefits. I am on 750mg Test Cyp & Dbol and with diet from da man DJ I am getting leaner and picking up size nicely!

Hi Missiondh,

I am on the same cycle 0nly 500Test per week though, I just finished my first week of cycyle and the only difference thus far is quick recovery and alittle more stamina, no strengh or size yet, how long till you see valid results? I have a funny build not fat nor very big but I pick up weight very quickly Not CM so it must be muscle mass I normally weight around 96KG but i was on 110KG this morning when I got on the scale I do eat plenty but I forgot to weigh before my cycle started so i am worried? Don't wanna be fat worked hard to get to 11% fat.

Mainly I am just wondering in which week the real results will appear?

Thanks

You only see growth on a Test cycle around week 6-7.From weeks 1-6 you recovery faster and you appear more muscular because of the increased androgens in your system.The growth you see from week 6-7 is all dependant on your nutrition.Also,your cycle should ideally be a minimum of 12 weeks.

Hey Beastie, just as Tiny mentioned long esters take a while too give results. I had to adjust my diet towards more leaner calories. Also added cardio 3x a week and looking better each day. I have gained 4kg.s in my 5 weeks thus far. Keep letro on hand to minimize water retention. Just watch your diet cause test can add some nasty ab fat if you are eating badly.

how are you running the letro missondh?

At the mo only 2x per week (Wed & Sun) @ 0.25mg (3 drops). Works a treat, no estrogen sides.

so no water too at only 2x per week?

Perpetuous Dreamer wrote:

so no water too at only 2x per week?

I take Letro at the exact same dose as Missiondh on a Dbol+Test+Equi cycle and at week 6 no sides and no water evident.