Tren E and Tren Ace....

Morning Guys,

newbie question,

What is the difference between Tren Ace and Tren E??

As i understand, both is a trenbolone,

But I have a couple of other questions as well,

1. Can both be used with Stanazol in a "cutting" only cycle?

2. if you want to retain most of your muscle mass when using stanazol while cutting, which is best to use, Tren Ace or Tren E??

3.if using a Tren Ace and winstrol cycle, what dosages and how long would you use it?

4 if using a Tren E and winstrol cycle, what dosages and for how long would you suggest?

5.Using a wintsrol cycle only I.E for 6weeks at 50mg tabs ED, obviously one would loose fat but how much muscle mass will you loose if not using some sort of test?

Any opinions from you guys would be appreciated.

I have used Tren Ace in the past but have not yet used or heard of Tren E before.

Short and long acting esters..

Why on earth are you looking at using tren, you don't seem to have enough experience to play with this hectic product.

Also no test in that cycle is going to cause a whole dose of problems on their own.

as good as tren is it has some interesting sides that are not that pleasant. tren ace short acting tren e long acting

It is attached to different esters. The one is an Acetate ester and the other an Enanthate Ester. The one just releases slower (enantahte) into your system and also leaves the system slower.

Have you ever used tren before?

You cannot use tren and winnie on its own you'll need a test prop (preferred) base.

vega5 wrote:

It is attached to different esters. The one is an Acetate ester and the other an Enanthate Ester. The one just releases slower (enantahte) into your system and also leaves the system slower.

Have you ever used tren before?

You cannot use tren and winnie on its own you'll need a test prop (preferred) base.

I have used tren before...

I cycled it with Supertest 400 and Anapolin 50. Got really really good gains and really lean... but lost almost everything because my PCT wat non existend!! my own stupidity and my own loss!

I'm only asking cause a buddy of mine is looking to use winny with some kind of trenbolone.

His goal is to get lean, cut fat but most important to keep his muscle,
In which I told him to use some kind of test.

Why would you suggest a short acting than a long acting?

and as i previously asked what would happen toe him if he just uses a winny cycle only?

jacquespa wrote:

vega5 wrote:

It is attached to different esters. The one is an Acetate ester and the other an Enanthate Ester. The one just releases slower (enantahte) into your system and also leaves the system slower.

Have you ever used tren before?

You cannot use tren and winnie on its own you'll need a test prop (preferred) base.

I have used tren before...

I cycled it with Supertest 400 and Anapolin 50. Got really really good gains and really lean... but lost almost everything because my PCT wat non existend!! my own stupidity and my own loss!

I'm only asking cause a buddy of mine is looking to use winny with some kind of trenbolone.

His goal is to get lean, cut fat but most important to keep his muscle,
In which I told him to use some kind of test.

Why would you suggest a short acting than a long acting?

and as i previously asked what would happen toe him if he just uses a winny cycle only?

Hopefully you also advised him to get a proper diet.

Does he have any experience with tren?

I prefer Tren E to ace because I don't sound like a TB sufferer every time I take it. The only problem is when you get negative sides it takes a bit of time to leave the system.

vega5 wrote:

jacquespa wrote:

vega5 wrote:

It is attached to different esters. The one is an Acetate ester and the other an Enanthate Ester. The one just releases slower (enantahte) into your system and also leaves the system slower.

Have you ever used tren before?

You cannot use tren and winnie on its own you'll need a test prop (preferred) base.

I have used tren before...

I cycled it with Supertest 400 and Anapolin 50. Got really really good gains and really lean... but lost almost everything because my PCT wat non existend!! my own stupidity and my own loss!

I'm only asking cause a buddy of mine is looking to use winny with some kind of trenbolone.

His goal is to get lean, cut fat but most important to keep his muscle,
In which I told him to use some kind of test.

Why would you suggest a short acting than a long acting?

and as i previously asked what would happen toe him if he just uses a winny cycle only?

Hopefully you also advised him to get a proper diet.

Does he have any experience with tren?

I prefer Tren E to ace because I don't sound like a TB sufferer every time I take it. The only problem is when you get negative sides it takes a bit of time to leave the system.

never tried tren e personally but will give it a whirl next time , just need 6 months to recover from this one lol

vega5 wrote:

jacquespa wrote:

vega5 wrote:

It is attached to different esters. The one is an Acetate ester and the other an Enanthate Ester. The one just releases slower (enantahte) into your system and also leaves the system slower.

Have you ever used tren before?

You cannot use tren and winnie on its own you'll need a test prop (preferred) base.

I have used tren before...

I cycled it with Supertest 400 and Anapolin 50. Got really really good gains and really lean... but lost almost everything because my PCT wat non existend!! my own stupidity and my own loss!

I'm only asking cause a buddy of mine is looking to use winny with some kind of trenbolone.

His goal is to get lean, cut fat but most important to keep his muscle,
In which I told him to use some kind of test.

Why would you suggest a short acting than a long acting?

and as i previously asked what would happen toe him if he just uses a winny cycle only?

Hopefully you also advised him to get a proper diet.

Does he have any experience with tren?

I prefer Tren E to ace because I don't sound like a TB sufferer every time I take it. The only problem is when you get negative sides it takes a bit of time to leave the system.

I did yes.

He's got little to no experience with juice. I try to help him best I can, not that I've got alot of knowledge... thats where you guys come in!

I'm reading up on all trenbolone, and most prefer for first time users to go woth Tren Ace.. just in case the system doesn't like it then one can stop with it and it could be out the system quick.

What did your tren cycles look like? and what was your results?

Why do you want to pump your buddy full of the dangerous stuff if he hasnt even done some AAS at medium safety?

You have read about Tren haven't you?

www.steroid.com/Trenbolone-Acetate.php
www.steroid.com/Trenbolone-Enanthate.new.php

Now please read and understand these articles. Especially the side effects.

When things go pear shaped with Tren its FAR worse than plain old Test.

I did yes.

He's got little to no experience with juice. I try to help him best I can, not that I've got alot of knowledge... thats where you guys come in!

I'm reading up on all trenbolone, and most prefer for first time users to go woth Tren Ace.. just in case the system doesn't like it then one can stop with it and it could be out the system quick.

What did your tren cycles look like? and what was your results?

First time user Stay away, one of the guys I know started with tren in his first cycle, he f-up his kidneys so bad bud.
sweared he never will use it again.

i mean i also wanted to go down the Tren route, luckily thanx to mr moose, vega5 and dj i stayed away. not that its my first cycle but just not well enough educated and body is not fit for it yet ( if you know what i mean )

always remember kiss.

K: Keep
I: It
S: Simple
S: Stupid

Haha what i have heard by these guys, a proper test prop, winny and maybe some clen is the alma-mater for cutting. And DIET. invest rather in a diet by DJ as another vail of juice.

IMO

Well said Roozer.

I know guys that's on their 10th cycle and still have not used Tren because of the potencial sides. A nice Prop and Var cycle will do wonders for a first timer.

I would still suggest a test only cycle with a DJ diet.

Rabbit,

i'm not the one pumping him full of juice. I'm mearely advising him with advice given by you guys. I will never let any of my friends take any kind of compound before fully researching and getting advice from forums. Don't think of me as just some poepol who would do something like that.. I'm just a regular peopol like everybody else

I know that I'm not the one to give advice... but thats were you guys come in.

I really appreciate all the input fellas! Thanks Rooz!

I will suggest to him that he leaves the Tren for now...

and stick with a test and winny only.

Why does everyone have this 'scare' issue with Tren? (specially Tren Enanth - which seems a lot more gentle than acetate)

I have used Tren quite often on cycle both Tren Ace and Tren Enth... maybe i just dont react badly to the stuff as some do (worst thing that i get is night sweats), but i think all in all its probably the best stuff ive ever taken.

I got more freaked out by peoples "HOO HAA" than anything else.

If you guys ever read Peter 'Big Cat' van Mole profiles, all in all he said it was the best steroid to take - like i said maybe its just me but i agree with him, nothing else i have taken compares to this stuff.

The biggest risk with Tren is availability and home labs making it out of fucking veterinary pelits - but with PGW, all smiles round.

jack its quite a harsh substance for first time users and if u are going to get any of the sides it will stay with u for 14 days whilst the ester clears the system....its not exactly like taking test now is it? when using tren my mood goes to shit and i suffer with it for 14days after that last shot...my mrs loves me for that...it is the rolls royce of steroids but the sides are kak.

Rolls Royce DJ?? Ha ha more like the fucking veyron I rate;)

Jack your availability issue is true and its probably the only product from PGW that I haven't got real life feedback on?? And iam the same as you NO sides! Touch of acne but only caus of protocol not substance related- not even tren cough off the ace when I use ventalin before, also as DJ sais with respect to the E! That's why I never touch it!.. All in all its got big hype on the net. People say its works quick- works well- makes you fucking strong- cuts you up- makes you moose and your gains are real!! So 1st timers are like schweeet perfect roid???? Ummmmmm not so much;) the more we scare the more they fear let's keep it that way because at the end of the day if you are not experienced enough to handle the strength, manage the cycle and sort out the shit you will most definitely be head deep in possibly irreversible kak;)

Peace

Sigh can't wait for tren e on my next one

How would you guys rate the tren combo, Trenabolone acetate, Trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate and Trenbolone enanthate.

I am more of a meat and potatoes type,if I am gonna take long ester I stick to that same with short ester.I haven't used the product but have heard good reports abourt some recent combos one was prop tren masteron

Btw I have tried ace at ed 80mg and eod 160mg and must admit ed works better !