What to use???

I am no bodybuilding veteran or anything infact im a pretty average size.i want to go on a course for a quick weight boost as much weight as possible but i dont plan on using again after that so i have to use something that has the best possible weight gains aswell as something or a combination of substances that allows me to keep a large amount of that weight after the course is completed.

Surely you could have done some more research into what is best?? ill help you out but throw your idea at me first>

Also give some stats:
Age, weight, bf%, cycle experience??

Peace

Rude, nobody in the right mind on this forum will give you an answer to that question.

AAS aren't miracle drugs! You have to come here with a proper plan and ask for opinions and then we will assist in every way possible!

What's your goal and don't tell me its to gain massive amounts of mass!

I apologise for getting a bit upset but there must be some input from your side otherwise you'll never learn anything yourself.

Mr Moose wrote:

Surely you could have done some more research into what is best?? ill help you out but throw your idea at me first>

Also give some stats:
Age, weight, bf%, cycle experience??

Peace

Damn! You beat me to it!

Ha ha ha fast hooves;)

Bro you going to piss alot of people off with questions like that. Its because of such a mindset that AAS gets a bad wrap. Take meal replacement shakes, i gaurentee you you'll get fat

Mr Moose wrote:

Ha ha ha fast hooves;)

Should get onto "Top Dear".

jackrabbit1 wrote:

Mr Moose wrote:

Ha ha ha fast hooves;)

Should get onto "Top Dear".

HAHAHAA very clever Jack :laugh:

not my intention to pi$$ anyone of here.i dont want to give my stats because i always here the same thing when i give my stats.people say its too early i should wait but what is not understood is all i want is an initial boost and then to maintain as much as i can.my stats are age 25,71kgs,bf is about 14% my height is about 172cm and i was advised to use a combination of test enenthate and dianabol.sorry if i angred anyone wasnt my intention just a little ignorant i guess.please help

dude thats not to young,but i would get the bf down dude,ur cycle is fine,the only thing that will be an issue is if u have been training for only a short period of time...

Leave out the dianobol. Have you heard of pct? Try and get your diet correct as well, and yes the advice you get about not takin roids now is good advice, you need to do lots and lots of research, but i suppose you past that and not gonna listen to any1, you just wanna do it...So i would reckon just use a testosterone such as enathate, cypionate or sustenon at a low dose of 250mg/500mg a week for maybe 8/10 weeks, then some pct, you will get a boost as a 1st time user and at that dose hopefully no sides. Havin said that, its still a bad idea! And i know the feeling, when i was young and started, i took the wrong advice as right and vice versa. I used stuff, never did pct, did it all upside down, but felt like the man! When i was off the stuff, depressed and no motivation, plus lost most of the gains cos of no pct! So when we give out advice of not using the stuff till you ready, its cos we dont want you to make the same mistakes we did, but i also know that sometimes, like i was, you reach a point of no return and will heed no advice unless its the advice you wanna hear! And i know guys on this forum get pretty pissed when questions like this arise, but guys stop for a moment, cos you dont know the flip side of the coin, we dont know whats drivin some1 to use this stuff, its not always purely bodybuilding or performance enhancing related, that i promise you! I think we as a whole on this forum need to be a little more sympathetic towards guys like this and do our best to help them realize the right way or guide them, gently so that guys dont kill themselves! Cos when i was doin crazy stuff, takin roids and vailums like smarties, i ended up flat on my back for 2months! Ha..I guess i am a little emotional today, high estrogen must be...Lol

hey rude i agree with dj you are at the right age but to get your steps into action i would say firstly:

mail dj at the contact us button to get a proper diet suited for your stats and goals.

research and learn as much as you can of the substances, www.steroid.com is a very good site.

Cycle, wayne why would you say 8-10 week why not rather bump to 10-12 weeks because of long ester test to get full working of testosterone?

My opinion is start of cycle when diet and training is in order. Get all your vitamins and minerals to combine with cycle. Then if you want to bulk.

Week 1-4 30mg dbol ED
Week 1-12 500mg test cypo or 600mg test enant

Get a A.I to battle the estrogen sides for example adex 0.25ED

PCT: I would rather revise going to research doctari's pct protocall on the pct threads. Other wise this is a basic pct for a beginner cycle.
week 14-16 hcg 500iu 3 times a week split into 2 shots
week 14-18 kessar 20mg ED
week 14-16 clomid 50mg 10 days long

My opinie :silly:

as a first time user amature gym gower wouldnt 600mg test enant be way too much??

I know most of the guys will say do it proberly and to do 600mg a week for 12 weeks with a good PCT and 100% diet

Which is correct, and the best advice you will get is on this board.

Just to mention that on my first cycle I gained shit loads on 250mg test cyp for 8 weeks.
I and I say I again would start on 1jab(250 or 300mg) a week for 10-12weeks and then increase the dosages if I have to the next cycle.

Michael wrote:

I know most of the guys will say do it proberly and to do 600mg a week for 12 weeks with a good PCT and 100% diet

Which is correct, and the best advice you will get is on this board.

Just to mention that on my first cycle I gained shit loads on 250mg test cyp for 8 weeks.
I and I say I again would start on 1jab(250 or 300mg) a week for 10-12weeks and then increase the dosages if I have to the next cycle.

At the age of 23 i grew PLENTY on Dr issued Depo-Test 100 (1ml/week).
I also had great results before that on 1ml/25mg/week Deca durabolin by itself.

ok thanks for all the advice was looking i am definatly interested in doing the test enenthate and dianabol course.i was looking over the sample cycles on the website and for the begginer bulk cycle there is test enenthate,dianabol but there is also deca and proviron.would it be best to add those in or is it a little over kill for a first cycle for me would appreciate some advice.thanks

Rude:

No to the deca> do as follows with regards to that cycle.

- D-Bol, week 1-4, 40mg, ED.
- Tes E, Week 1-12, +- 500mg, split in 2 doses per week.
- Proviron, week 12-14, 25mg, ED.

PCT> Research for a good 1 and check with us, start at week 15.

Peace