testoviron and dbol

Gday

my mate wants to do a 12week bulking cycle of

testoviron 500mg/750mg not sure yet (any suggetions)
dbol 40mg daily
winnie 50mg daily from week 9 to 12 with maybe proviron week 9 to 12 also daily

Question:
can he use dbol for so long??
AND WHAT PCT should be followed

thanks

Hey Bro.

Is your friend you? You can be honest, its better:) (avoid the broken telephone effect)

Testo-V, you will need to either pin twice a week or every 3 days, some guys will debate on that because of the prop.

The dbol isn't really necessary because it would only be used to boost those first few weeks, but the prop will take the place of that.

Wini, you can start from week 11.

You also dont want to use dbol and wini because of your liver.

Dbol shouldnt be used for more than 4 weeks...
What brand/strength are you going to be using of the Testoviron??
Rather think about Nomaviron... i know its Nomad, but you will get a better bang for your buck.
Do a serach for Doctari's PCT on the Forum... you can follow that!

Have you got a correct eating plan in place???

no it really is a mate im starting august with a equi ,testoviron and wini cycle stil gonna get a diet from dj,

so from week 4 no dbol! will the gain be good on just testoviron?? for 7 weeks before the wini starts for the last week. what dosages testo do you recomend? for pct maybe proviron last week and clomid 50mg ed for 3 weeks

If he insists on using dbol:

1-4 = Dbol (would personally leave it out(keeping it simple)
1-12 = TesoV (the amount would depend on his goal)
11-14 = Stan 20-50mg's a day

luke wrote:

no it really is a mate im starting august with a equi ,testoviron and wini cycle stil gonna get a diet from dj,

so from week 4 no dbol! will the gain be good on just testoviron?? for 7 weeks before the wini starts for the last week. what dosages testo do you recomend? for pct maybe proviron last week and clomid 50mg ed for 3 weeks

The gains will be dosage and most importantly diet dependend.

We cant really make a recommendation because we dont know ur buddy's cycle history but if its his first or second 500mg a week right threw will do him just fine.

Dont use proviron for pct. And clomid for 3 weeks is overkill.

Guys just something to notice an watch out there if you are buying testoviron, there is the amps that have the prop and enanthate in and then you get the other amps that i am using that are just 250mg enanthate from schering. So it all depends on the brand i will say the dbol will give a great kick. I find the testoviron works like a charm on 750mg

BleedingEyes wrote:

If he insists on using dbol:

1-4 = Dbol (would personally leave it out(keeping it simple)
1-12 = TesoV (the amount would depend on his goal)
11-14 = Stan 20-50mg's a day

I would sub the winny with proviron. Already running a toxic oral to kick start, so rather look at something milder at the back end and you will get the same or even better effect on SHBG and have the added benefit of proviron being a mild anti-e.

Testoviron, Schering, 250mg/ml and enathate ester (if that is what he has and would be best in this application). Inject once p/week. For more stable levels and slightly less sides then 2 x p/week and this is generally preferred method.

But, if its not that Testoviron, then wouldnt the dbol be unnecessary. And wouldnt he need to inject twice a week +, to keep the prop at a more balanced level?

BleedingEyes wrote:

But, if its not that Testoviron, then wouldnt the dbol be unnecessary. And wouldnt he need to inject twice a week +, to keep the prop at a more balanced level?

EOD actually. Always inject on the shortest ester and would still use the D-Bol as the majority of the test in there will have the enanthate ester

the testoviron is the schering one, what about mixing sust and testoviron ex. 2sus one testo the next week 2testo and 1 sus can this be worth it?

It is also important to stress the fact that esters do not alter the activity of the parent steroid in any way. They work only to slow its release. It is quite common to hear people speak about the properties of different esters, almost as if they can magically alter a steroid's effectiveness. This is really nonsense. Enanthate is not more powerful than cypionate (perhaps a few extra milligrams of testosterone released per injection, but nothing to note), nor is Sustanon some type of incredible testosterone blend. Personally, I have always considered Sustanon a very poor buy in the face of cheaper 250mg enanthate ampules. Your muscle cells see only testosterone; ultimately there is no difference. Reports of varying levels of muscle gain, androgenic side effects, water retention, etc. are only issues of timing. Faster-releasing testosterone esters will produce estrogen buildup faster simply because there is more testosterone free in the blood from the start of the cycle. - Taken From William Llewellyn's Anabolics Book

It is also worth noting that while the ester is typically hydrolyzed in general circulation, some will be hydrolyzed at the injection site where the steroid depot first contacts blood. This will cause a slightly higher concentration of both free steroid and ester in the muscle where the drug had been administered. On the plus side, this may equate to slightly better growth in this muscle, as more hormone is made available to nearby cells. Many bodybuilders have come to swear by the use of injection sites such as the deltoids, biceps, and triceps, truly believing better growth can be achieved if the steroid is injected directly into these muscles. The negative to this is that the ester itself may be irritating to the tissues at the site of injection once it is broken free. Taken From William Llewellyn's Anabolics Book

So in conclusion, just use the enanthate.