PGW results - Feedback

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03 Sep 2010 08:31 #49845 by clint444
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Hi there

I am in my 6th week of PGW Test E 300mg/w, Boldenone 350mg/w, tren ace 80mg/eod and i`ve just started running oxandrolone caps at 50mg/ed from the beginning of this week mon/30/aug/2010.I have not put on a single solitary kilogram.

I buy my gear from a reputable supplier that only stocks PCW but my problem is that i have not had any mindblowing results. Tren is reputed to be a wonder roid but i have not experienced the results that others rave about. I`m on a low carb, high protein and low fat diet and although i`ve recently started getting good pumps since i started with the var/creatine i`m wondering if the test E (no sex drive, my testis are the size of cashew nuts and i have a bit of tummy bloat), tren ace(no night sweats, insomnia or tren cough, fat loss) and EQ are doing anything.

Do you perhaps have any other queries of this nature?
What i`m asking is if there might be an incredibly weak batch of gear out there or does the problem lie with me and my lazy receptors or are carbs the answer?

Your expert opinion will be appreciated

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03 Sep 2010 09:20 #49847 by admin
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03 Sep 2010 09:53 #49850 by BB_guy
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Bud, how do you expect to add weight on a low carb and low fat diet?
You cannot rely on just gear to add weight, you need to feed your body to grow mate

Your nuts have shrunk, so you most likely shut down... from the gear... so that pretty much rules out the gear as being a "bad batch"
Low sex drive could easily be because of the Tren, and not everybody experiences night sweats, insomnia etc

What is you daily calories look like, and please add your macros bud ?

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03 Sep 2010 10:06 #49851 by clint444
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Thanks for the speedy response BB...

As far as my diet is concerned i`m consuming around 200gms of protein per day and around 150gms of carbs which is usually consumed by 15:00 and then i cut them out completely for the rest of the day.
I`m 34 years old and am not a big guy and am weighing in at 74kgs and this has not changed since the start of my cycle.
I have lost fat (currently13%) but i wasn`t that fat to begin with and started with about 15%
I expected more lean mass gains and had the intention of getting ripped to the bone and vascular but wanted to retain good quality muscle (Brad Pitt in Fight club was my goal)
I wanted to avoid the puffy-roid look at all costs and so opted for a low dose of test e to avoid a shut-down of testosterone.
For the past two years i have battled with lack of sexual desire (i`ve done a couple of summer cycles in that time with no PCT) and was hoping that a little test would also help me in that area because i`m getting tired of making excuses and my wife is starting to wonder why i have very little interest in sex but it hasn`t helped at all and apart from the odd occasion of half asleep sex at 3am i have felt no real change.

My post workout pumps and vasularity are awesome but only since the inclusion of creatine and the oxandrolone (which made me feel lithargic, nauseas and wierd for the first 2 days but then i split the 50mg up and now take it throughout the day and have been feeling better)

My training consists of cycling 16kms every morning mon-sat on an excercise bike
Weight training 4 times a week in the evenings and i also skip and hit the bag
WEEKDAY DIET (SATURDAY IS PIG-OUT DAY)
6:15am a bolwl of high fibre bran with a handfull of shaved almonds + 5gms of creatine
9:15am a bowl of wheat free pronutro and a usn pure protein IGF-9 SHAKE (40GMS PER SERVING)
12:30 1 chicken breast and another protein shake with a hand full of raw almonds +5gms of creatine
15:30 fruit with some fat free plain yogurt
18:30 two pieces of grilled hake or chicken breasts
21:00 another protein shake
Bedtime: omega3 capsules, and a heaped teaspoon of Gaba

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03 Sep 2010 10:26 #49852 by admin
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That's not a diet that will make you grow bud. You lost 2% fat, but stayed the same weight, so that means you put on 1.44kg lean mass.

Best would be if you get proper dieting advice from DJ. What is your goal? Do you want to bulk or cut?

EDIT: See you do allot of cardio as well and that will hurt gains also.

You mentioned in your original post that you were told that Tren is a wonder roid... that is not the case when it comes to bulking... it's really only useful for cutting. Guys look at the Androgenic/Anabolic ratio (500:500) and notice it's 5 times higher than Testosterone (100:100) and they assume results will be 5 times more, but it doesn't work that way. If it worked like that Halotestin (850:1900) would be the holy grail of steroids, but in fact it's only good for hardening up before competitions.

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03 Sep 2010 10:31 #49853 by mrwhite
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I also just came off cycle using all PGW gear and I put on 7 kg and lost 12 cm around my waist. I am very happy with PGW and in fact my next cycle is going to be all PGW again. First off I am no expert but I think your test 300mg/w is too low and second all this cycling and skipping is no good if you want to gain weight bro. Cut all that out and add some nice heavy compound lifts , especially deadlifts, and you should start gaining IMO.

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03 Sep 2010 10:45 #49854 by clint444
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Thanks for the advice guys, i will bump up the test e and re-look at my diet as of NOW...I will also post in about a week or as things develop and inform about changes.

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03 Sep 2010 14:01 #49861 by 00pump
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Well start with this, how many cycles have you done.

It is quite possible you have very low natural test levels and taking that gear is just causing (specially the tren) an even worse shutdown. (Just read your last post where this is the case)

You might need to double that amount of test.

I doubt you going to resolve your sexual issues by using steroids and probably your best bet is to handle your PCT properly at the end of this cycle. You need to get to the cause why your libido is so low maybe you taking medication, maybe you have some medical condition you don't even know about. All of this is speculation and going for tests now would not really be of much point. Up your carb's, speak to DJ maybe he can suggest a diet that will work for you, remember different people react differently and just because a friend might be on a low carb high protein+high fat which is not your case they might be getting the results you are looking for. However for you this just might not work, I know I am very carb sensitive in the sense that my body needs carbs, it doesn't matter if its dieting or bulking I adjust it accordingly and might just need to opt for more cardio or some MMA.

Just realize the fact that different peoples bodies work differently and while some might get a increase in Libido while on EQ (rare) others may not. I am one of those that know that I need proviron while taking EQ to make sure that continue to have a libido during a cycle. This can be a EQ only cycle and I can still have a libido.

I have suffered for years with a low libido due to steroid abuse and not using the proper PCT structure (overdose on HCG,to much Clomid, etc). Stick to basics and what works. Tren is not a drug I favor for a few reasons and mainly because I don't get the results others I know get yet I suffer double the sides as them.

You need to know what works for you not what works for a friend, if you have done cycles in the past that work, don't change a good thing or should I say don't fix something that is not broken.

I think you need to go back to basics, PGW by far in my eyes is the best quality for money steroid and I have had some freakishly good results from it. Steroids is steroids is steroids. If you do have doubts about the authenticity of the gear I am sure something can be arranged to validate it.

Maybe try up your dose of test, get rid of the tren and get some LP proviron, this is certainly help with libido. It comes in 20mg tabs so you can start off with 20mg and see where that takes you however you might need to increase it to 40 to get the results I'm talking about.

Once again, get your diet sorted and maybe give a break down of your training / party / sleep pattern. It is very possible you over training, you only grow when you rest, so this could be a huge issue with you. Also you might need some shock therapy, I have needed this in the past where I have actually starved myself for a day and a bit and then started feasting and I just break through a weight barrier I had been at for some months.

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04 Sep 2010 09:12 #49883 by Ugi
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Most if not all UGL are hit and miss, simply because they do not have access
to a mass spectrometer or chromatography equipment to test the raw materials
they import from China.

The likelihood of a "miss" is greater with exotic and expensive compounds like
Tren. You have to factor this in when using UGL gear and be prepared to change
brands if necessary until you find something that works for you.

Of course the usual caveats regarding diet and training should also be
considered before jumping to conclusions.

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06 Sep 2010 05:45 #49915 by Empire
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clint444,that diet is lacking in alot of protein and calories esp for the amount of exercise you are doing esp the cycling. you need to bump up those calories to grow...with the amount of work you are doing you are probably over training and have shut down youe metabolism

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07 Sep 2010 07:06 #50025 by clint444
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Thanks DJ, I have added much more carbs to my diet as of sunday and will cut down the cardio to twice a week and see how it goes.

I will report back next monday and let you know if there are any changes.

Shot for the advice bud

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07 Sep 2010 08:24 #50037 by Empire
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point less about adding carbs,add proteins dude...

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