PCT from 1st course of test & equip

Hi guys

I have tried to research and answer from the forum, but cant find one, so need some kind assistance please

I am on a 10 week course of test & equip which ends today i.e my last injection tonight.
i am taking Nolvadex as my PCT and would like to know when must i start and how much?

would it be 1 week after last injection, 2 tabs per day for 1st week then 1 per day for balance?

I have picked up 2.6kg's so far . . .

any suggestions as to what i can go on with my next course next year January? i was thinking of doubling my test300 and taking Deca with it?

41 years old . . weighing 86kg wanna get to 90kg then cut. train 5 days a week with my personal trainer.

thanks guys

Hey bud.

Just a few questions:
* What were your dosages for the test & equi?
* What's your cycle history?

Other than that I would say PCT Day 1-7 : Clomid @ 50mg twice daily
Day 8-37: Nolvadex @ 20mg daily

How are your nuts looking? If you ran your test at 500mg weekly or above you'll wanna run some HCG as well.

Peace...

Dude 10 weeks on gear to only pick up 2.6kgs does not sound right. Either your diet is crap or your doses were way to low. I would say with 10 weeks of juice you should have picked up at least 5kgs minimum.

Or the nomad he was using was very underdosed!

juiced169 wrote: Dude 10 weeks on gear to only pick up 2.6kgs does not sound right. Either your diet is crap or your doses were way to low. I would say with 10 weeks of juice you should have picked up at least 5kgs minimum.

Couldnt have said it better myself...

Hence my 1st question - what were the doses?...

Hi Rowan

test 300 1ml per week with equipoise 350 1ml per week for 10 weeks
Cycle history - this is my 1st cycle on juice

haha . . nuts look fine and normal to me!! what is considered not fine?

thanks for your input dude

@ juiced169

yeah thats what i thought . . . but i do know that for 4 weeks i did intense cardio 3 times a week (ie bootcamp 45min) and i think thats why slowed my building muscle down, so i stopped it . . the min i did i picked up weight.

diet is pretty good i think as its from Muscle Evolution mag!!!


@ Roozer - nope it was the real good stuff . . gear was all good!! good name!!!

What was your diet like?

AJAY wrote: Hi Rowan

test 300 1ml per week with equipoise 350 1ml per week for 10 weeks
Cycle history - this is my 1st cycle on juice

haha . . nuts look fine and normal to me!! what is considered not fine?
thanks for your input dude

Ajay, introduction of exogenous test (injecting test) to your system shuts down your body's endogenous production. This results in shrinkage and 'lifting' of one's testes (hypogonadism) as this is where our natural test is produced.

Genarally, studies have shown that your testes can withstand a 1st cycle of up to 500mg of test a week over 12 weeks without having to use HCG to get them firing again, but this is also age dependant (the younger you are, the better chance you have of returning to normal). At 41 I'm actually shocked that you have not reported shrinkage?!

So to answer your question, if your nuts are looking more like raisins - ur in trouble. If they still look fine to you, then you're ok.

Peace...

I hacve read that dosing eq under 400mg per week is useless. Maybe u should have takin more eq. The eq would have made u more vascular? But u wouldnt hold back as much water like u would have from using deca. U would have gotn better gains on going straight test for ur first cycle and having maybe 500mg test a week for a shorter time.
What brand was it? it does make a difference. And how much do u trust the source?
Regards

Hey Romp

well seeing that it was my first cycle, i didnt want to overdo it . . . .

i am planning on using double the test (2ml's per week) on next cycle with Deca (just not sure how much Deca). . . if u use 1ml of test, what is that in mg? 500mg?

i have read the rules and i believe we can mention this Brand as permission has been granted. i used PGW and i do trust the source!!!

Thanks dude

AJAY wrote: Hey Romp

well seeing that it was my first cycle, i didnt want to overdo it . . . .

i am planning on using double the test (2ml's per week) on next cycle with Deca (just not sure how much Deca). . . if u use 1ml of test, what is that in mg? 500mg?

i have read the rules and i believe we can mention this Brand as permission has been granted. i used PGW and i do trust the source!!!

Thanks dude

What does it say on the bottle?

350mg on a first cycle of EQ is more than enough. The problem comes when your body is used to gear.. Guys get massive gains on just Primo cycles.

His diet was the problem.

ahh,the dieting and resting is 60% if not more of ur gains man. My first cycle i ever did was just cypionate me thinks.
Was good but my diet was also fktup. Picked up alot..ALOT of fat. rofl. Looked like the oros man. haha. My girl still laughs at the photos...i just say..ye ,u love that fat bastard. There is a fat bastard in all of us. muhaha

Regards

Romp3L wrote: ahh,the dieting and resting is 60% if not more of ur gains man. My first cycle i ever did was just cypionate me thinks.
Was good but my diet was also fktup. Picked up alot..ALOT of fat. rofl. Looked like the oros man. haha. My girl still laughs at the photos...i just say..ye ,u love that fat bastard. There is a fat bastard in all of us. muhaha

Regards

Heheh, we all laugh at our first cycle, and wish we had the shared knowledge of each other before we had started.

YEAH . . i guess i will look back and laugh . . .

this was my very FIRST cycle on juice!!!! i dont think i have picked up that much water . . .

so serious guys . . . what should i use as a second cycle??? starting in Jan next year

oh and is the 1ml = .....? mg


thanx

AJAY wrote: YEAH . . i guess i will look back and laugh . . .

this was my very FIRST cycle on juice!!!! i dont think i have picked up that much water . . .

so serious guys . . . what should i use as a second cycle??? starting in Jan next year

oh and is the 1ml = .....? mg


thanx

Seeeeeeriously dude, how should we know. On the bottle of test it will say how many mg of test per ml.

Ajay, okay let me try and answer your question and give $y 2c worth.

Okay, let me first comment on your current cycle. The dosages was sufficient and you used on of the best brands IMO, I just think at your age you should do a more comprehensive PCT which must include as a minimum Clomid, Kessar and Pregnyl.

Which brings me to my next point, personally I'm a huge Nandrolone fan but again at your age (waiting for JR to comment) I think it is not worth the risk as the shut down is severe and your body might not be able to recover fully.

There are many other options to look at other than Deca so I would say maybe look at Test at 500mg a week for 12 weeks with a T-bol front load for 4 weeks and maybe end your cycle with 3 weeks Winstrol.

On the point of ml=mg, there's literally hundreds of diffrent tests on the market ranging anywhere from 55mg=ml to 320mg=ml so you need to do proper research and get the mg of the juice you are intending to use first before we can start giving answers on that one. Stick with PGW and LP and you'll be fine.

Shut down can be managed REALLY well with Doctari's PCT and HCG protocol during cycle. REALLY well. I will advice just one more thing which has always worked for me.

Add 1 month post cycle for a nandrolone-runout on TestProp. Add some Winstrol or as with me normally Proviron to harden up then and your PCT becomes way less complicated.

hi guys

Firstly, i really appreciate the POSITIVE feedback and assistance, it sheds a lota light on the subject for NEWBIES like me - haha!!!

@ Fakey_AK - cool, i will go look at bottle tonyt & get back to u on that one - thanks!!

@ vega5 - wow, ok didnt realise i would need that amount of PCT but i see yr point with me at that age. For now will my 30 tabs clomid be sufficient. i was thinking of taking 2 tabs a day for 1st week then 1 a day for balance - that ok??? will that work to bring the nads back to normal size and drop? mine didnt get THAT small just a tad, but did lift a bit as well. When i go on next cycle, can i maybe get your advice on what PCT to use? how long u been doing juice and whats u age? if i may ask Thanks for ur advice - cool one dude!!!

@jackrabbit1 - wow thanx for that too . . .talk about so many opinions!!! thats why it gets confusing sometimes, but i guess u just need to try things and see what works!!

a question if any of u can answer??? is it advisable for me to go to my doc just to check what my testosterone levels are at my age without telling him that i have been on juice? will he pick it up that i was on something, or should i rather just tell him i have been on juice and wanna go on a 2nd cycle but just need to have the appropriate test to check that all the things are up to scratch

thanks guys - this forum is awesome and so informative