Newbie to the steroids scene!?

Thunda, we are definitely not trying to be rude - I'm not that type of personality. But I do have this problem, and I really hope you will understand what I'm trying to say now. If a guy starts asking about steroids and does not even know the basics about creatine supplementation, then that is alarming!
Can you, off the top of your head, just name me two circumstances(there are quite a number more) when an individual should not use creatine?? If you can not answer this in 30 seconds, you do not know enough on the subject and should go read up a bit more.

Tell you what - maybe just "ride a long" on this site a bit more and learn, maybe travel through the archives and go learn there - then start commenting again and asking questions. I really am not trying to be rude or trying to chase you away. You'll notice, the guys who comment a lot, are knowledgeable people. How do they get there? They read many hours first to learn the basics. We are here to try and answer the "sticky" questions, give information that usually body builders in the elite inner circles know only - not to teach anyone the simple basics. I expect people to at least know something before they start posting questions.

We are not here to get you a "supplier" - that you can go look for in your local gym...

Just ride a long a bit.... Don't go away, because then you are not going to learn anything!

Hi guys. Doctari i take my hat off for you for being such a gentleman.Thank you for your advice and light you are sheding on my path.infact it has been about 5mins now and i stil cant say when u should not use creatine...i will hang around like u said...the only reason id say when ur not supposed 2 use creatine is if u have kidny problems...and ur also not supposed to use it for 2 long...with regards 2 dbol: water retention,gyno,high blood presure,acne,kidny and liver damage and higher estrogen levels.now 4 the one i like.winstrol: no hectic water retention,acne and so forth...the only problem is that it is also liver toxic...healthwise the winstrol is better...do you agree?wil taking 20mg of winstrol a day for 4 weeks realy be that bad for me,even if i take stuff for my liver? if you say yes it wil realy be that bad,then i wont take it...i wil just cary on waisting my money on more expencive 'legal' products.my buddy would like 2 know if you guys know anything on revesine,side effects and so forth. thanx doctari u are realy alot of help and i dnt think you guys are rude ur just straight forward.i prefer it that way.

Jeez I dont know Winny is worse on your hairline- for some thats worse that losing a liver !!! lol thunda listen do Doc- the man can prob arm curl you (-, Read read and read, thast all i can say

Thunda, I at least got you thinking... On creatine, you have one correct, the other is acute dehydration...
About orals - remember that all 17-alkylated groups pass through the liver before becoming metabolically active. It passes through the P450 enzyme system - the net effect of this "de-tox" is the production of IGF-1 by the liver - definitely not a bad thing. Most guys' liver enzymes will raise only the first three to four weeks, except maybe in the case of Oxymethalone and Halotestan, with these they raise much quicker. At about 4 weeks, the liver starts compensating by "pushing" up the enzyme production, which then decreses the raise in your aminases enzymes - depending on your oral doses. The exception is with Anapolan and Halotestan - they just fry your liver. What am I getting at?
Orals are not bad, but they should be used in moderate amounts and not longer than 4 continous weeks, or else the liver will not be able to compensate.
As for Winstrol - it is a DHT derivative - all of them will lead to hairline retraction and male pattern baldness.
You are correct by saying that Winstrol will stress the liver less than D-bol, but not really by much.
Creatine is something you can use continously. This thing about using it too long , is utter bullshit. Your body produces creatine every day, you need creatine for ATP production, and creatine helps your own insulin work better. But you do need to cycle the dosing. Mario van Biljon wrote a good article about the latest methods of Creatine cycling in the ME 3 or 4 issues back - go read it.
Thunda, I don't think your Winstrol dose is excessive in any way - you shouln't have problems at that dose for no longer than 4 weeks.
Reverzine is Yohimbe in the injectable forms(YohimbeHCl) used to suppress labour in cows. Start with about 0,25 ml twice daily, slowly increase the dosage over 7-10 days up to 0,5 mls twice daily - don't exceed that. You can use the oral form at 5- 10mg twice daily, the max being a total of 40mg dailly( at this dose you should have problems keeping Willy retained in your pants!)

helo doc

its not me thats gonna use revesene....i am just going to use winstrol and a calorie controled diet.when you say retaining willy in pants,do you mean that its gona grow or that by bud is gona be horny all the time?is there anything i can take not to get bald?im going to be taking milk thisle for my liver along with enough water for proper hydration.thank you for the help with the revezine ,i will give him the info.im gona use the sliming diet i got on www.bodyxxxx.xxxx .

i know im asking alot of questions....but its not in vain,i am learning alot from this site.

thank you all.

Thunda
Wat martial art u into bro ?

Hi ninja.

u could say a combination of martial arts although my base is Tang So Do.


Hi doc.

just read about sumthing that i think was made for my goal.
To put it plain and simple...i am fat.the reason for me looking at all these products you and i have been chating about is to find the best fastest possible way for me to one lose fat and two to build a bit more muscle....now i stumbled onto clenbuterol....and whilst reading about that i found cytomel.Now if i understood this guy correctly,you can stack both of these with a 17 alpha and it should have you burning fat like a furnace and help maintain lean muscle..please note he says on your 4 week cycle you should alternate between the clen and the cyt not use them togetha.now i was wondering...do you think stacking clen with winstrol wil help me reach my goal?or do you think cytomel wil work better with the winstrol.or should i alternate both in a three week each cycle with the winstrol.

thanks

Sigh......

hallo

why do you sigh mxt?do i have the cat by the tail?

I have to agree with MxT...
I am 23 and also wanted to use juice.
I spoke to these guys and they gave me all the info that I needed.
But then I spoke to Netro who gave me the MAX-Ot training program and told me to redo my diet.I got that sorted out.Not to the T butnot to bad either.I got some sups and in two weeks ive picked up 2.5kg......
and I am loving it.
Just keep on working hard.

Im just getting the feeling your hell bent on taking gear and the training and the diet is not half way there yet... Just take it 100 natural for a year and train and eat right. i will PROMISE you if you gear up now in 2 years time you will write a post on this forum saying....dammit I wish i had waited a bit longer

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please let them know that i recommended you to them.

ta ta
Brandon Lange

Thats bright Brandon- why dont you post your home adress and tel number as well-lol

i know - it is

blange wrote:

i know - it is

Brandon, I also like the guys at SAAR, but you are going to get everyone into trouble by openly suggesting them as a source.

If we stick our head over the parapit wall we will take fire. Next thing there will be requests to sell juice at the robots with the fake-o dvd's. Just a little less eagerness can go a long way. Nice up to admin for keeping an eye out!