cramping

Hi guys.

im 28 and have been training for about 6 yrs regularly.Im 1.7 and 80kg.Bf is around 12%.
Ive started a cyle of deca and sus250.
deca100mg and sust250 twice a week.Tues and Sat
im on it now for 6 weeks.
Is 8 weeks too short or would it be much beter to run for 12weeks?

In conjuction with the above im also on nitrotech protein and a pre supp -no explode / sans v12.
Recently ive been cramping alot during the workout and also normally during the day.

any ideas why this is happening? could it be the supps? or am i in need of some other nutrients?

thanks for any info

Will need to be more detailed on your diet to be able to judge a lack of nutrition.

Personal experience for myself is that one specific nutrient deficiency causes cramping. Salt. I find this is specifically true when my intake of whole foods goes down and I use alot of MRP's.

I also got that when as Ceej mentioned, whole food wasn't eaten, i thought it was from salt but a guy from gym told me it was lack of carbs as well. so i started forcing any carbs i could get down my throat and it went away after about an hour or so, now i just make sure i eat right everyday:)

yeah,I tend to substitute whole foods for the protein shakes but ive been eating alot of tune straight out of the can recently.
I guess ill up the salt content and eat beter and see from there.
its not good when u trying to push the weights and the only thing that stops you is the cramps.
what do u guy think of my cycle duration.
is 8 weeks too short.should i opt for 12 weeks?

Deca should be ran for at least 12 weeks.
It takes time to start working and you'll be ending your cycle when it is just kicking in nicely.
Make sure your PCT is good.
My nuts dissapeared on 13 weeks of Deca and Test:S . Luckily the HCG fixed that.

now thats a very worying factor.
Is that a common side of deca.
whats your opinion on a good pct for this cycle.
Ive been getting conflicting reports.
I have at the moment kessar20.I thought 20mg/day for 30days.
Is this not good enough?What do u think.
Thanks

You need to the run cycle for at least 12 weeks to get some decent results. The Sustanon will "kick in" pretty quickly but the Deca..... I am assuming from what you said 500mg test and 200mg Deca per week? Low enough dosages but nandrolone has an affinity to bind to the progestin receptor which will make estrogenic sides worse. You will need an AI like letrozole, arimedex etc. in case estrogenic sides show up. Just in case but on your dosage it should not be a problem but some peaople are ALOT more sensitive to estrogen than others.

To keep your balls from shrinking to the size of small grapes you need to run some HCG throughout the cycle. This will also keep your NADS from going on a sabatical.

PCT I would suggest starting about 10-15 days after your last injection. You can check it out on other sites if you like but

PCT WK 1-4 Kessar 20mg/day
PCT WK 1&3 Clomid 50mg/day (Not from experience but i heard cycling like this makes you feel like less of a girl)
PCT WK 1-2 HCG 1500iu pregnyl or equivalent Shot E5D (3 Shots)

Any of the smarter guys out there, please feel free to poke holes in this as PCT is not something you want to mess up.

Ever heard of Deca Dick? That's the impotence that developes on Deca if you don't PCT adequately, as Deca will suppress your HPTA as long as 6 months.I've read considerable amounts of literature on PCT. This is what I use in all my patients currently.

During your course, use 250-500IU's Ovidrel once a week. The higher your Test dose, the better to use 500IU's. If Deca(any amount)is part of your course, use 500iu's. Then, calculate the last injection of AAS's component's 1/2 life - this is the first official day of your PCT. From thois day, use 50mg Clomid twice a day for only 7 days - nothing else. Then, on day 8 start with 20mg Kessar per day and Aromasin 25mg p day and continue for 21 days. Start on day 8 with 1000IU's of Ovidrel, but split this into 4-5 equal injections(200-250IU p shot), one shot every 2 1/2 hours during the awake part of your day. Use the Ovidrel one day on, one day of for 20 days. This is the minimum PCT needed. You can also add in Proviron at 50 -100mg p day during the PCT. Bridge this 3 week period of PCT with ultra low dose oral AAS - like 5-10mg D-bol 0r similar dose Anavar per day. P

It's also important to up your Vitamine dosage during your PCT period. Don't be shy to use upto 5gr Vit C and 1000IU's vit E p day.

As far as the oestrogen sides are concerned in any Deca+Test cycle. You are quite correct about the progesteronic sides of Deca. Remember that Deca binds to the progesterone receptor with as much as 60% affinity, but on the other hand, only converts to oestrogen at a 1/5th the rate that testosterone does. So, the culprit in such a course is usually the testosterone. Here Tamoxifen will not help. Arimidex at 0.5mg every second day, combined with low dose Bromocryptine(2,5mg p day/Parlodel) will be a better choice.

As for the Ovidrel dosage during PCT: Conan and me had discussions at great length on this subject. We came to the conclusion that it all depends on how much milligrams of AAS you use per week, as well as how HPTA suppressive of your components are. For instance, Deca is VERY suppressive - thus use higher end Ovidrel doses. If total milligram of AAS's are more than 1 gram per week for 6 weeks and longer, it's my opinion to use higher end doses. I think each course should be evaluated by these criteria, before PCT dosages are decided on.

Eish! Missed the question here. You asked about cramping. Remember, that any thermogenic supplements can cause cramping. Especially Clen...

Try to use a product called Rehydrate. It's produced by Mirren, I think?. You can buy the sachets OTC. use a sachet before workout and take one along. Alternatively, you can take 250mls water + 1 teaspoon sugar + 1 tablespoon Lecol Lemon Juice + 1/2 teaspoon salt, all mixed together, taken 30min pre-workout. This is basic rehydration fluid. If you have diarhoea at home, use the above every time you've passed a loose stool - and you will not easily dehydrate.

If you can handle the taste, alternatively take 25ml glycerine about 30-60min before your workout and combine it with your pre-workout shake.

Ok Doc,
Firstly, good to have you back and see you keep to your word Good stuff.

2ndly, i would like to challenge you on the infamous Kessar and 19-Nor debate. I am not saying you are wrong, but would just like to understand your reasoning behind the inclusion of this compound with others that have progesterone sides. My first concern is the Kessar's affinity to increase the risk or accelerate the progesterone sides of 19-Nor's. Since nandralone has a very long ester attached and there is still quite high and declining levels when you suggest Kessar in and around 20 days after last Deca shot. Is this not looking for trouble?

Also, it has been discussed extensively on international forums about kessar decreasing the effectiveness of certain AAS and Deca seems to be one of the more popular where it is recommended that these 2 not be combined. I understand that in this scenario you have suggested Kessar as part of the PCT and not as an on-cycle anti-e. What are your thoughts on this?

Let me know Bro as I am always open to better reasoning and we all know you do not comment unless the foundation is strong

Hi Doc, when you say

1000IU's of Ovidrel

does this mean actual ovidrel or the converted pregnyl equavalent we so often use on this forum?

Admin - cant we get thet pct on a seperate post? This is going to get lost between the other posts.

I use the actual Ovidrel

since ive started the course, n its now week 6 I havent taken any ovidrel or any other pct during.
would this be a major problem.
another concern i have is that,its now dec and i will be taking a holl in early jan.This means im goint to cut the duration down from 12 weeks to 9weeks.Ill be away for 18 days after the last shot and wont be able to take any injection pct for thes 18days.
Could i just start with the clomid and kessar while away.
Can i possibly email you directly "doctari" for further advice?