A BIG one.

Right! Boyz, your input(Any) much appreciatedwoohoo:!

Call me crazy but here goes:

Age:41
Vascectomy - so no reproduction worries.
1.76 m
88 Kg
+-17% BF

All bloodwork good.
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum?func=vi...d=2&id=9467#9543

Have done long cycle before with great results.
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum?func=view&catid=5&id=4533

15 weeks

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Testen300 2ml/week(split) = 600mg/week = 30ml
Deca350 1ml/Week(split) = 350/week = 15ml
Equi350 1ml/week(split) = 350/week = 15ml

8 weeks - Cruise on Low Test

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Testen300 0.5ml/week(split) = 0.5 X 8 = 4ml

6 weeks

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Test Prop 1.5ml EOD = 150mg EOD = 30ml
Tren Ace 1 ml EOD = 80mg EOD = 20ml

3 weeks

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Test Prop 1ml EOD = 100mg EOD = 10ml

All 32 weeks

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Proviron 50mg/day(split) = 1 Pack/10Days = +- 23 Packs/224 days
Ovidrel 500iu/Week = 32 X 500iu = 16000IU; 16000/6500 = 2.5 boxes (lasts only 4 weeks so 8 boxes for 32 weeks)- Might go lower(250iu/week) for the 8 week cruise.

PCT(Doctari's)

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Day 1-7; Clomid 100mg/day = 7 X 100mg = 14tabs
Day 8 + 21; Kessar 20mg/day = 21 tabs
Day 8 + 21; Aromasin 20 to 25mg/day = 1 Dropper Bottle
Day 8 + 20; Ovidrel 1000IU/EOD (Split 4 ways; every 2.5 Hrs) = 10 days = 10000iu = 1.5 boxes
Day 1-30; Vitamin C 5g/day
Day 1-30; Vitamin E 1000 IU's/day

Extras on hand

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Arimidex 1mg tabs X 10
Letrozole 2.5mg/ml = 1 30ml Dropper Bottle

u win the lotto champ?

Haha - No DJ. There would've been 12 months GH in there if i did.
Will do it in 3 batches. PCT will be bought in the first batch, so if need be i will always be able to initiate PCT if i really have to.
Toying with the idea of some Oral-T to start off with and Winny to end with.
No boozing and clean eating. Want to see where it takes me.

jackrabbit1,
So i guess you wanting to put on size with this cycle
Are you going to bulk up like mofo with clean food or are you going to try gain lean good muscle gain with min fat with some cardio?

Its a 2-in-one. Some bulking at the start with a cutting cycle at the end.
Cleanish eating and cardio - need to keep the blood pressure at bay and cardio helps plenty, but just quiting the booze will already guarantee my fat-loss.

Got the following from www.steroid.com/Trenbolone-Acetate.php

"No need to panic though, the anti-estrogens letrzole or fulvestrant can lower progesterone levels, and combat any progestenic sides. The use of a 19-nor compound like trenbolone also increases prolactin& . bromocriptine or cabergoline are often recommended to lower prolatin levels (20). Testicular atrophy (shrunken balls) may also occur; HCG used intermittently throughout a cycle can prevent this."

Could i go with ultra low dose Letro rather than Proviron? Proviron looks like it's going to break the bank.

I use Letro through my cycles... keeps bitch tit and sides away.
5 drops morning and 5 drops night every day. Don't know if that's the correct way to do it but seems to be working fine!
Also it's going to help me dry out for comp I guess. Ja proviron I am only adding closer to comp date... as I am not Bill Gates!

Anyone with the following info?

Preventative - For DHT sides - bromocriptine or cabergoline dosage?
2.5mg/day?

Preventative - Letrozole dosage?
On-cycle water retention prevention: 0.25mg to 0.5mg (5 to 10 drops)

Can Ovidrel be used at 500iu/week for 32 weeks?

Jack, you're a freakin demon man - never heard of anything like this. Keep us posted!

jEEZ Dude djeasy is right when he remarks have you won the lotto!

HECK you either got a course their to turn pro or drop a LARGE DONKEY!

Put up some pics. cool
MYOTEST1B)

HAHA, Just an old Ballie trying to get into shape again. Last years course did wonders for me. NEVER felt so good. Hurt my shoulder(AC Joint) and let go a bit over Dec. Probably a little midlife crisis?!
Partied too much in my 20's when i should've stayed on the bodybuilding road.
We'll see this cycle goes - if it works for me i'll enter something over 40 next year.

You are going to look like a pin cushion when your done..

I would definitely like to see you do a journal on this cycle with before and after photos.

Hope it all goes according to plan..

Not as much of a pin-cushion as the last cycle:cheer: !
Last one was 7 months mostly EOD. Sometimes, to prevent having more than 3 ml/site i had to do both quads/cheeks at once:S !

Any of you Pro's have some advice? Admin, Netro, Doctari, Batman, Ogre??? Conan? if he's around?

I especially need some advice on the longterm use of Ovidrel, Letro, Bromo.

Thanks guys!

You asked, so yeah I think your crazy!!!!
Maybe the "silence" from the old pro's means something.

Seriously, your not competing for a living. Neither are you competing just for fun.
So maybe a less radical approach might be better.

Also, after that length of time, your cortisol levels are going to be sky high & may result in huge post cycle losses if you don't take something to reduce the cortisol.

IMO, running shorter cycles will be more effective (less cortisol) and you could maybe get 2 cycles in the same time as your looooong ass cycle.

You asked, dont shoot the messenger.

But goodluck

jack,mail me with your questions champ..

jackrabbit1 wrote:

I especially need some advice on the longterm use of Ovidrel, Letro, Bromo.

I can help with those... what do you want to know?

No problemo getaphix! I consider all the opinions i come across.

I really do have 2 cycles in there. The Low test "cruise" is whats making this look extremely long.

Basically i'm putting myself on TRT for 8 weeks. (Between cycles)

I really want to do the 15week Deca/EQ/Test since i saw that on my last cycle i REALLY started showing extremely good results at week 12, but since i have already been on fo too long couldn't just extend again - and that was at +- 7 months - so much for the Cortisol. I also didn't just up the dosage either - this was on a constant EOD schedule.

I wanted both cycles before going on Holiday in mid December so the only way i could fit these two in was to not do a full PCT between cycles - why put my body through that and not have a good off-period?

Dj/Admin - thanks.

I want to follow Doc's Ovidrel schedule of 500IU/week. Also a small Letro dose to keep the bloat at acceptable levels. If Progesterobe gyno becomes a problem, also Bromo. I doubt i will have hastles with progesterone but just to be on the safe side.

The question is this: Can i use that much HCG for 32 weeks without screwing up my HPTA permanently? How about the Letro/Bromo?

I appreciate the comments guys - lay it on - Good/Bad are all good in the end.

Ok, the doses aren't excessive.
I didn't notice a marked effect with Proviron @ 50mg/day & at a higher dose over 32 weeks, its gonna break the bank.
Is it worth it for marginal effects at a premium price? Maybe drop the proviron and go with the T-Bol front load.

I don't like HCG, esp. over a long period.

Let us know how it goes.

Good luck.

Jackrabbit1,

How did this turn out? - did you end up doing all 32 weeks?

Thanks

No - much longer. The Tren part went to 10 weeks and the test at the end was extended to 6 weeks. so i added +- 7 weeks.

I didnt respond well to the initial cycle of TestE/EQ/Deca even with pushing up the dose of TestE to 900+, EQ 490, Deca 490.

The Tren Ace i also upped to 120mg EOD with Prop at 250mg EOD.
I saw some results here but not too dramatic.

The Test runout was on Prop at 250mg EOD with the last 2 weeks on 80mg each Var and TBol. Saw some nice things happen here.

Overall i wasnt too happy with the results. My training partner had similiar results.

The HCG throughout the cycle helped loads. I had almost no problems with sexdrive etc.

BTW - I did 5iu GH almost throughout the cycle. Started with 4iu EOD for 1/2 box and then 5iu up to the 2nd last box. changed back to 4iu EOD for the last box which i will finish next week.

Looking at photos i definately added quite a bit. I cant say exactly how many Kg's since i tend to carry a bit of fat which was lost and then added when i stopped training at the beginning of Dec.(Famly responsiblity - they needed me to go on holiday with them!)

Picked up an abcess during december which a had removed last Friday so training was pretty much non existant up to now.

Getting kleened up booze wise and diet so that i can get a good Bloodwork report.