Cycle Advice

Heys guys:

trust you are all well. i should of posted before starting the cycle but here you go. Cycle as follows:

for first 4 weeks
1ml test prop(100mg) with 1/2 ml tren e(75mg) eod.
1ml super test (320mg) with 1/2 ml of equi(175 mgr) Sundays and wed.

week 5 to 12 (Wed and Sundays)
1ml super test (320mg)
1/2ml Equi (350mg)
1ml tren e (150mg)

i have been experiencing a shortness of breath... and had a mild panic attack on Monday 3 hours after my pin. is that normal? i can handle the panic attack, that is no problem my question is is the breathing restrictions due to the Tren E. it forces me to cough during the day as if breathing is restricted. if so how could it have kick in so fast?

i have a feeling the shortness of breath could also be anxiety. what is a safe dose to run the Tren e at?

regards guys...

Morphosis wrote: Heys guys:

trust you are all well. i should of posted before starting the cycle but here you go. Cycle as follows:

for first 4 weeks
1ml test prop(100mg) with 1/2 ml tren e(75mg) eod.
1ml super test (320mg) with 1/2 ml of equi(175 mgr) Sundays and wed.

week 5 to 12 (Wed and Sundays)
1ml super test (320mg)
1/2ml Equi (350mg)
1ml tren e (150mg)

i have been experiencing a shortness of breath... and had a mild panic attack on Monday 3 hours after my pin. is that normal? i can handle the panic attack, that is no problem my question is is the breathing restrictions due to the Tren E. it forces me to cough during the day as if breathing is restricted. if so how could it have kick in so fast?

i have a feeling the shortness of breath could also be anxiety. what is a safe dose to run the Tren e at?

regards guys...

Wish you had posted this cycle before doing it.

I am confused as to why you mixing tren esters. if this is your first tren cycle, i would have run the ace ester eod at 50mg and then extend that cycle to 6 weeks and stop right there. 12 weeks of tren is going to kill your kidneys and I would not run a long-estered nor so close to pct as its going to make it so much more difficult to recover off your cycle.

Are you running any AI's or anti-progesterone. The more estrogen in your system, the higher the chance of prolactin sides. Also, even if you controlling estrogen, prolacin needs to be controlled as well as it will play a massive role in your recovery. Are you running any HCG on this cycle, as I am sure that you will or are probably suffering from testicular atrophy as we speak.

You can suffer from a condition of tren cough, which basically occurs if some of the compound enters the blood system. App, it makes you cough to the point where u feel u dying. whther it cause extended coughing throughout the day, I am not sure. Panic attacks are common off tren and will likely get worse as the substance builds in the system. the problem with the enanthate ester is that due to it being so slow releasing, an immediate reduction or stoppage will not yield an immediate drop in sides. You will have to ride it out for a bit.

What's the idea with the Test Prop?

probably using a kickstart mate and to probably offset any possible libido issues upon the introduction of the short acting tren-ace ester. That said, the same could have been achieved if the supertest dosages were halved and pinned eod to take advantage of the short propionate and phenylpropionate esters. Still maintain that a more stable, longer estered test such as cyp or enanthate would have been a better choice in this cycle, with perhaps the addition of prop kickstart to augment the introdcution of the tren-ace. also, 12 weeks of equipoise, particularly when its being run at 150mg for first four weeks is really a waste in my opinion. As for the tren enanthate, as your mentioned pyro, even DJ doesnt seem to be keen on running this agan due to possible side effects sticking around for ever.

GSP wrote:

Morphosis wrote: Heys guys:

trust you are all well. i should of posted before starting the cycle but here you go. Cycle as follows:

for first 4 weeks
1ml test prop(100mg) with 1/2 ml tren e(75mg) eod.
1ml super test (320mg) with 1/2 ml of equi(175 mgr) Sundays and wed.

week 5 to 12 (Wed and Sundays)
1ml super test (320mg)
1/2ml Equi (350mg)
1ml tren e (150mg)

i have been experiencing a shortness of breath... and had a mild panic attack on Monday 3 hours after my pin. is that normal? i can handle the panic attack, that is no problem my question is is the breathing restrictions due to the Tren E. it forces me to cough during the day as if breathing is restricted. if so how could it have kick in so fast?

i have a feeling the shortness of breath could also be anxiety. what is a safe dose to run the Tren e at?

regards guys...

Wish you had posted this cycle before doing it.

I am confused as to why you mixing tren esters. if this is your first tren cycle, i would have run the ace ester eod at 50mg and then extend that cycle to 6 weeks and stop right there. 12 weeks of tren is going to kill your kidneys and I would not run a long-estered nor so close to pct as its going to make it so much more difficult to recover off your cycle.

Are you running any AI's or anti-progesterone. The more estrogen in your system, the higher the chance of prolactin sides. Also, even if you controlling estrogen, prolacin needs to be controlled as well as it will play a massive role in your recovery. Are you running any HCG on this cycle, as I am sure that you will or are probably suffering from testicular atrophy as we speak.

You can suffer from a condition of tren cough, which basically occurs if some of the compound enters the blood system. App, it makes you cough to the point where u feel u dying. whther it cause extended coughing throughout the day, I am not sure. Panic attacks are common off tren and will likely get worse as the substance builds in the system. the problem with the enanthate ester is that due to it being so slow releasing, an immediate reduction or stoppage will not yield an immediate drop in sides. You will have to ride it out for a bit.

hey GSP

Not my first tren cycle ran tren A and tren e mixed a while back. this is my first running Tren E .i will extend the tren to 6 weeks and stop. i'm happy with that.

" I am confused as to why you mixing tren esters" im not bud only running tren e. i know the tren cough happen to me once during pinning.

i'm running HCG during cycle. my question was more on the breathing.

Pyroclasm wrote: What's the idea with the Test Prop?

hey bud running it as a kick start not very comfortable with orals when running Tren.

GSP wrote: probably using a kickstart mate and to probably offset any possible libido issues upon the introduction of the short acting tren-ace ester. That said, the same could have been achieved if the supertest dosages were halved and pinned eod to take advantage of the short propionate and phenylpropionate esters. Still maintain that a more stable, longer estered test such as cyp or enanthate would have been a better choice in this cycle, with perhaps the addition of prop kickstart to augment the introdcution of the tren-ace. also, 12 weeks of equipoise, particularly when its being run at 150mg for first four weeks is really a waste in my opinion. As for the tren enanthate, as your mentioned pyro, even DJ doesnt seem to be keen on running this agan due to possible side effects sticking around for ever.

Hey GSP:

correct on the prop. as to the EQ i plan on increasing the dose and keep it at around 450mg p/w. reason for starting so low is that both tren and EQ cause anxiety so i was just introducing the Equi at small dosages but planning to increase dose from week to week. my first post didn't take that into consideration. sorry for that.


have you guys run Tren E before?

Morphosis wrote:

GSP wrote:

Morphosis wrote: Heys guys:

trust you are all well. i should of posted before starting the cycle but here you go. Cycle as follows:

for first 4 weeks
1ml test prop(100mg) with 1/2 ml tren e(75mg) eod.
1ml super test (320mg) with 1/2 ml of equi(175 mgr) Sundays and wed.

week 5 to 12 (Wed and Sundays)
1ml super test (320mg)
1/2ml Equi (350mg)
1ml tren e (150mg)

i have been experiencing a shortness of breath... and had a mild panic attack on Monday 3 hours after my pin. is that normal? i can handle the panic attack, that is no problem my question is is the breathing restrictions due to the Tren E. it forces me to cough during the day as if breathing is restricted. if so how could it have kick in so fast?

i have a feeling the shortness of breath could also be anxiety. what is a safe dose to run the Tren e at?

regards guys...

Wish you had posted this cycle before doing it.

I am confused as to why you mixing tren esters. if this is your first tren cycle, i would have run the ace ester eod at 50mg and then extend that cycle to 6 weeks and stop right there. 12 weeks of tren is going to kill your kidneys and I would not run a long-estered nor so close to pct as its going to make it so much more difficult to recover off your cycle.

Are you running any AI's or anti-progesterone. The more estrogen in your system, the higher the chance of prolactin sides. Also, even if you controlling estrogen, prolacin needs to be controlled as well as it will play a massive role in your recovery. Are you running any HCG on this cycle, as I am sure that you will or are probably suffering from testicular atrophy as we speak.

You can suffer from a condition of tren cough, which basically occurs if some of the compound enters the blood system. App, it makes you cough to the point where u feel u dying. whther it cause extended coughing throughout the day, I am not sure. Panic attacks are common off tren and will likely get worse as the substance builds in the system. the problem with the enanthate ester is that due to it being so slow releasing, an immediate reduction or stoppage will not yield an immediate drop in sides. You will have to ride it out for a bit.

hey GSP

Not my first tren cycle ran tren A and tren e mixed a while back. this is my first running Tren E .i will extend the tren to 6 weeks and stop. i'm happy with that.

" I am confused as to why you mixing tren esters" im not bud only running tren e. i know the tren cough happen to me once during pinning.

i'm running HCG during cycle. my question was more on the breathing.

my sincerest apologies bud. i thought i saw tren ace in first few weeks. No, in terms of the tren, I think you spot on with your use and dosage. Some will say 150mg is conservative dosage, but for your first encounter with the long ester, id say its best to test the waters and results should still be decent. Still would have been better with a more stable ester in ur test usage though. I have tried to use tren ace before and had some bad sides, so ill doubt ill be touching the compound anytime soon.

I think tren causes anxiety which in turn could possibly make u feel like u experiencing respiratory issues. You noted a cough, but this could be as a result of a test flu or something as well. Thats the problem when running so many compounds, very diffcult to gauge what is causing what. u have an ai and anti-progesterone on this cycle?

GSP wrote: probably using a kickstart mate and to probably offset any possible libido issues upon the introduction of the short acting tren-ace ester. That said, the same could have been achieved if the supertest dosages were halved and pinned eod to take advantage of the short propionate and phenylpropionate esters. Still maintain that a more stable, longer estered test such as cyp or enanthate would have been a better choice in this cycle, with perhaps the addition of prop kickstart to augment the introdcution of the tren-ace. also, 12 weeks of equipoise, particularly when its being run at 150mg for first four weeks is really a waste in my opinion. As for the tren enanthate, as your mentioned pyro, even DJ doesnt seem to be keen on running this agan due to possible side effects sticking around for ever.

@Morphosis: The reason why I asked is what GSP is saying here- supertest contains two very nice short esters (prop and phenylprop) so why not take advantage of this? Not saying it's 100% wrong to add prop I just think if it were me I would have rather frontloaded the supertest.
Then Equipoise is the undecylenate ester which is super long. Normally EQ only properly kicks in at 8 or 9 weeks whereas the Enanthate ester normally kicks in about week 5-6. So there is no reason you can run the EQ at full strength from the beginning. Infact it is a mission to get the EQ up to full strength because of the long ester so underdosing at the beginning should be counterproductive.

Pyroclasm wrote:

GSP wrote: probably using a kickstart mate and to probably offset any possible libido issues upon the introduction of the short acting tren-ace ester. That said, the same could have been achieved if the supertest dosages were halved and pinned eod to take advantage of the short propionate and phenylpropionate esters. Still maintain that a more stable, longer estered test such as cyp or enanthate would have been a better choice in this cycle, with perhaps the addition of prop kickstart to augment the introdcution of the tren-ace. also, 12 weeks of equipoise, particularly when its being run at 150mg for first four weeks is really a waste in my opinion. As for the tren enanthate, as your mentioned pyro, even DJ doesnt seem to be keen on running this agan due to possible side effects sticking around for ever.

@Morphosis: The reason why I asked is what GSP is saying here- supertest contains two very nice short esters (prop and phenylprop) so why not take advantage of this? Not saying it's 100% wrong to add prop I just think if it were me I would have rather frontloaded the supertest.
Then Equipoise is the undecylenate ester which is super long. Normally EQ only properly kicks in at 8 or 9 weeks whereas the Enanthate ester normally kicks in about week 5-6. So there is no reason you can run the EQ at full strength from the beginning. Infact it is a mission to get the EQ up to full strength because of the long ester so underdosing at the beginning should be counterproductive.

thanks man:

will run at a higher dosage....

hey guys just an update:

i went to a doc that did an examination/Scan now: the following was concluded. (not saying what he told me is correct still investigating and seeing a specialist and please DO NOT THINK IM TRYING BAD MOUTH ANY MANUFACTURERS OR CHANGE ANYONE OPINION ON PWG.

he told me that due to the toxicity of the Test Pro, tren e and equi( even though my last cycle was +- 6 months ago with full PCT) please also note that i ran blood test after last cycle, and before this cycle and all came back good.
caused the following:

Liver size increased to 16.5 cm
Right kidney size increased to 11.4 by 5.55 cm
Left Kidney size increased to 10.8 by 3.6 cm
spleen size increased to 7.8 cm
prostate size increased to is 3.8 by 3.6

due to that i have been feeling what im feeling. anxius, battling to breath e regular heart beats etc.

Admin please don't get angry with me for posting this as im trying to get a concrete answer. the doc said its due to the ASS. and recommended i stop the cycle above and see him as he will give me a Pharmaceutical Test depo and start monitoring me as from next week.

im scared as im close to 40 and have a baby girl the last thing i want is to not see her grow up. if you have some more info Admin on this please comment.

i know a lot of guys here use PWG and not saying it will or has happen to them.


Again sorry if my post is bad mouthing PWG as that is not my intent. just wanted to let you know what happen to me and if you agree, or could find out from Doctary if the my Doc statement is correct.


thank you for all your feed back. and sorry in advance if i am out of line.

regards

Morph.


regards

Ed