3rd Cycle log

Hey guys

So new here, thought id share my 2nd real cycle log

First stats:
28
1.82cm
76kg - at start of cycle
bf - im told +- 6-7%

Training on and off 4 years. Been steady for last 13 months

First ever cycle - Did a dbol only cycle 4 weeks - think 40mg ed. Picked up about 8kgs, lost it all within 4 weeks (as i know now was bound to happen)

2nd cycle - Dbol 40mg ed for 4 weeks - test cyp 500mg p/week, prov week 9-12 50mg ed, clomid week 13 100mg ed, nov week 14-16 20mg ed. Cycle was going great, was lifting heaviest ever, weighing heaviest ever (up about 13kgs) Bad acne though. Was forced to end cycle couple weeks short after going through some serious personal life issues. Worst year of my life. Anway, did pct and still didnt really keep any gains, although my diet and training schedule took a heavy knock (due to reasons)

So im back and i have started my 3rd cycle now, been so excited about it and 12 days in...not going as well as expected...here it is:

week 1-4/5 Naps 50 - 50mg ed (in morning)
week 1-11 Test E 600mg p/week (2 shots - mon/thur)
week 13 clomid 100mg ed
week 14-16 Nov 20mg ed

So im 12 days in and only up 2kgs? Was expecting more to be honest from naps - considering uping dose to 100mgs ed...Will just add essentials ed for liver, as i hear mt hinders gains.

Im sure you will question my diet, so here`s a fairly typical day:

brekkie:
3 whole eggs
cup raw oats mixed with 3 scoops whey/full cream milk

mid mor:
peanut butter/syrup samie
2 bananas

lunch:
whey shake
white rice with/ steak/chicken

pre:
2 minute noodles/ pasta (depending on prep work)
3 boiled eggs

post:
whey shake straight after workout plus game energy drink/ banana

dinner:
1.5 potato/ steak or chicken. veggies now and again
1 cup yogurt before bed

Also make my own protein bars -have at least one a day and try snack on nuts whenever i can. Taking in between 2-4 ltr water daily. take 2x flax seed oil tabs ed and 1x multivit. As im obv trying to bulk,Im not worried about eating clean, although i do try keep to whole good foods as much as possible - but not scared to grab a pizza or burger or add extra sauce whenever i feel like it


So any reasons i shouldn`t up naps to 100mg a day??? and do you think it will help? as ive heard and read from many that 50mg a day should be more than enough at my level/experience. I understand everyone reacts differently to different substances and as naps is one of the most toxic orals, id rather just know its gonna be beneficial and not just harming my body for nothing. From what ive read, 100mgs ed, i should be fine...

Notes:

Ive never experienced sides, besides acne - but with naps, first 3 days i was seriously ill and actually lost 2 kgs, head was stuck in the bowl and i had no appetite!
Test E shots fucken hurt for days after - like serious, serious (although this maybe cause im doing my shots myself this time and last time with cyp, a friend did the pinning as i had no pain with cyp)
No acne yet (doing vit b12 shot) swimming 4 times a week after workouts and trying to suntan
Can def feel the pump during workouts (although strength gains are up abit, was expecting abit more)

Shout, Swear, Scream, Crit, applause....any info, is helpful info. Shot guys, await your response

I take it you are trying to bulk. You need to eat more. Not enough food budi.
Do you have a AI on hand and if so what?
Have you thought of bridging with something like proviron or anavar?
Please don't take this the wrong way, but it doesn't seem like you have planned your cycles very well..?

welcome to the forum bro!

anyway just a quick note, your pct will start in week 15, 4 weeks after last enanthate shot, as waiting time is 30 days not the 14 (2 weeks) you originally going to wait,

as for your diet, the reason your not gaining as you would like too, the more cycles we do, and the more training experience you have the less we gain after awhile, and its this time where diet becomes crutial, add more whole food meals, your having max 2-3 small meals, should be around 5-6 if possible and drop the amount of shakes, nothing beats whole food.

i suggest you try get in touch with DJ to sort you out a diet, he is a miracle maker and can really assist, and then you will start seeing the gains you want,

good luck bud

At 1.82cm weighing only 76kg. EAT EAT EAT!!!
I think a good place to start is to make your MID (morning/afternoon) snack actual meals. So drop the fruit and sarmies etc. and throw in more Meat/Carb.

I had to do this too, it actually gave me more strength in the gym too.

are you doing a single shot of test a week or twice a week , my previous cycle I did once a week and got fairly bad acne on my back and sholders. (test cyp 2ml once a week)
This cycle I have done test E 1ml twice a week and i have had little to no acne and i am in week 10 already. My guess is that the more stable test levels have reduced the acne.
give it a try if you arent already may just help !!

4/10 for that diet, read this in order and create a diet. Post up here when done

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/10-diet...eating-your-own-diet
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/10-diet...on/56925-dieting-101
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/10-diet...on/81698-dieting-102

sorry if i missed it what brand are you using?

Hey guys,

Firstly, shot for all the replies...much appreciated gents! Had meetings all friggen day, so only got to log on now.

Some answers:

Considered bridging (amongst, like a thousand other ideas i had and researched), but in the end decided against it! Reason, my Plan for this cycle...was to keep it as simple as possible! Would you say bridging is a must or do you guys think my cycle is fine as is?

Thanks for the welcome PoisonedPulse. In connection with my PCT, Thats how i was gonna do it (as just about every forum ive read said exactly the same) but like a noob, i listen to people who i trust...Anyway, so will shift it to 4 weeks after last pin then. Thanks bud

INCUBUS, im doing 2x 300mg shots a week Mon/Thurs. Any other tricks or secrets you`ve learned for acne (as im sure mine is gonna flare up soon) I had acne as a teenager - never went on antibiotics though, wish i did!

VonD im using PGW test and LP

So i gather by all replies that my diet is my downfall and uping the naps would be irrelevant at this stage? Fair enough and noted! In connection with my diet - I often do have alot better days than the sample diet i posted (having said that, sometimes i have worse days) iMan, i have read through DJs links you posted (thanks a mill) 1 question, according to that my BMR is between 1500-1700 cal a day. Can that be possible??? Surley i need more??? I was gonna make my own diet up according to DJ`s posts (which is prob about the best post ive ever read) But seen as im already in my cycle, i want to avoid hit and miss dieting wise, so i think i should just get hold of DJ and let the man work his magic with me...would you agree? Just dont wanna waste anymore time seeing as im already on cycle (feels as ive already wasted 2 weeks) Not happy!

Yes its possible that your maintenance calories are around there, most probably it at about 1700-1800, to grow you will need a surplus of 500cals plus. So infact you are looking at a 2300 cal diet to start off.

Shot man. I just always thought that my maintenance range was around 2100-2200. Interesting. I battle to achieve daily calorie needs (well obviously, as my diet is upto shit) and believe im a true ectomorph, So would you say to add another 100 or 200 calories to that?

You still need to multiply the 1700 with your activity factor, but I will def go with DJ for a diet.

I dropped admin a mail on how to get hold of DJ. Shot man

iMan wrote: You still need to multiply the 1700 with your activity factor, but I will def go with DJ for a diet.

very good point, often overlooked aspect when calculating BMR

So thought id give a quick update for anyone intrested:

Today is day 20 and im up 5kgs...
Took advice and dropped the snack food (samies,snacks) and added more whole foods.Also dropped the lunch whey shake and added a can of tuna instead. So feeling better there ad Also been in contact with DJ and im sure he`ll get me spot on diet wise!
Otherwise, Strength increasing steadily. No sides really to report,besides heart burn daily. Pinning going better, less sore. No real acne as yet. Feeling pretty dam good!

Good times