Short higher dose vs Longer lower dosage

Okay so in terms of a second cycle what would you guys recommend, I'm doing a test only cycle of Supertest 320 just need help on figuring out the best way to go about it?

A higher dosage of test lets say 960mg super test a week for 10 weeks
(pro's: Higher test should help with strength and gains. Cons: more sides, not to keen to hit a gram of test. Anything else?)

Or

A lower test dosage but over a longer period lets say 640mg ST over 15 weeks.
(Pros: Longer time in such an anabolic state, possibly more gains, love been on test . Cons: shut down for almost 20 weeks in total)

Or perhaps

Maybe even 750mg test over 12 weeks
(Pros: possibly best of both worlds? Cons: more sides? :huh:

Thanks brethren

I rate, Test E at 750mg for 12 weeks

Kkkyle wrote: Okay so in terms of a second cycle what would you guys recommend, I'm doing a test only cycle of Supertest 320 just need help on figuring out the best way to go about it?

A higher dosage of test lets say 960mg super test a week for 10 weeks
(pro's: Higher test should help with strength and gains. Cons: more sides, not to keen to hit a gram of test. Anything else?)

Or

A lower test dosage but over a longer period lets say 640mg ST over 15 weeks.
(Pros: Longer time in such an anabolic state, possibly more gains, love been on test . Cons: shut down for almost 20 weeks in total)

Or perhaps

Maybe even 750mg test over 12 weeks
(Pros: possibly best of both worlds? Cons: more sides? :huh:

Thanks brethren

with test, even blend, I would definately say go for longer duration as opposed to higher dosages over short period. As for dosages, I have said it time and time again, I cant for any reason see why anyone would be hitting a gram of test/week. If you are looking to run 15-20 week cycle, I would suggest running HCG at 500iu a week from week 1 up until week before pct to ensure that you mitigate any testicular atrophy, and subsequent reduction of testesterone-producing leydig cells, which is the main concern when running longer cycles. Also, please ensure that you also have an AI on hand on this cycle. Other than that, 640 over 15 weeks should be super for you.

Manery I already have the Super test. I wasn't keen on hitting a gram ever. I do have letro from my last cycle which im pretty sure ill need again since last time when I switched to ST from CYP. 500iu a week would that be one pin a week or EOD. On my last cycle that I ran it was 15 weeks also and I didn't run HCG and I came back to what i feel as normal test levels (yes i know I wont know without full bloods but I feel like a horny teen just like before and have no problems with erections libido etc) using PCT 1, I do agree though 15weeks will be the best option and i do have HCG ill just have to order more for PCT then

Kkkyle wrote: Manery I already have the Super test. I wasn't keen on hitting a gram ever. I do have letro from my last cycle which im pretty sure ill need again since last time when I switched to ST from CYP. 500iu a week would that be one pin a week or EOD. On my last cycle that I ran it was 15 weeks also and I didn't run HCG and I came back to what i feel as normal test levels (yes i know I wont know without full bloods but I feel like a horny teen just like before and have no problems with erections libido etc) using PCT 1, I do agree though 15weeks will be the best option and i do have HCG ill just have to order more for PCT then

The HCG is generally pinned at 250iu twice a week, also if running it at this dosage, there is no need for the big dosages required the week before pct. You dosage of 500iu will remain consistent for the duration of the cycle. How often you pinning the ST a week btw?

Alright thanks man, The HCG will start from week one or could I start from week 4? Iv heard about pinning it three times a week, but I was planning on twice a week? What would be the problem with only twice a week i know the short prop ester plays a role but i thought thats the reason blends exist so that there is a constant "release" of test?

Kkkyle wrote: Alright thanks man, The HCG will start from week one or could I start from week 4? Iv heard about pinning it three times a week, but I was planning on twice a week? What would be the problem with only twice a week i know the short prop ester plays a role but i thought thats the reason blends exist so that there is a constant "release" of test?

Three times a week will be best to ensure that blood levels remain as stable as possible due to short acefafe, prop and phenylpropionate esters which have a very short half life. If you pinning twice a week, you will not only be mucking up your lipids and increasing chances of sides, but will also not be deriving the benefit of the shorter esters.

GSP wrote:

Kkkyle wrote: Alright thanks man, The HCG will start from week one or could I start from week 4? Iv heard about pinning it three times a week, but I was planning on twice a week? What would be the problem with only twice a week i know the short prop ester plays a role but i thought thats the reason blends exist so that there is a constant "release" of test?

Three times a week will be best to ensure that blood levels remain as stable as possible due to short acefafe, prop and phenylpropionate esters which have a very short half life. If you pinning twice a week, you will not only be mucking up your lipids and increasing chances of sides, but will also not be deriving the benefit of the shorter esters.

Okay thanks, Ill up it to 3times :pinch: how should i split the doses?

Thats probably why I started getting signs of gyno last time to much fluctuations.

Kkkyle wrote:

GSP wrote:

Kkkyle wrote: Alright thanks man, The HCG will start from week one or could I start from week 4? Iv heard about pinning it three times a week, but I was planning on twice a week? What would be the problem with only twice a week i know the short prop ester plays a role but i thought thats the reason blends exist so that there is a constant "release" of test?

Three times a week will be best to ensure that blood levels remain as stable as possible due to short acefafe, prop and phenylpropionate esters which have a very short half life. If you pinning twice a week, you will not only be mucking up your lipids and increasing chances of sides, but will also not be deriving the benefit of the shorter esters.

Okay thanks, Ill up it to 3times :pinch: how should i split the doses?

Thats probably why I started getting signs of gyno last time to much fluctuations.

basically I would follow an e3d injection protocol and do about 0.8ml per shot.

Okay that shouldn't work out longer than 15 weeks though, or maybe just over which is fine. Thanks for the help GSP, will +1 you when i have another to give

Kkkyle, how did you find the Supertest last cycle in terms of gains? I have had gyno from only 525mg of Test Prop a week so I'm very hesitant to run higher dosages of Test next cycle even though i'll have an AI.

MK wrote: Kkkyle, how did you find the Supertest last cycle in terms of gains? I have had gyno from only 525mg of Test Prop a week so I'm very hesitant to run higher dosages of Test next cycle even though i'll have an AI.

MK I found the super test to be awesome. I believe it gave me more strength compared to the cyp, didnt really feel the cyp even after 10 weeks but after two weeks on the ST I felt more of everything... Including gyno signs haha but I think that was from only pinning twice a week, In terms of gains its hard to say but to tell i do feel that I put on most of my gains in the 5weeks of ST but my diet also improved a hell of a lot in that time span. Im keen to see how every three days works out. Im just not keen on pinning delts or quads hahaIm happy with glutes but with such frequent pins I'll have to just do it.

To tell the truth after this cycle Ill be moving on to prop and NPP and other short esters for all my other cycles. Long esters limits your cycles per a year and Im really keen on trying to squeeze in 3 or more a year.

Ok cool thank bro, I might try it out next cycle but I'm also favouring short ester cycles.

With the pinning in your quads - just do it slowly and I promise you it's painless. The more you do it the more you get used to it and the more you find the sweet spots on your quads.

Just to figure something out. Pinning 1ml every three days how would I calculate how many mg per a week I'm taking since the protocol creates weeks where three pins will be done and others where two will be done.

That is if I'm pinning correctly in that if I pin on a Monday for my first pin then I'll pin again on Thursday and Sunday (3 pins) then on Wednesday, Saturday.(2 pins) so yea not sure how that works.

Or should I just ignore weeks and just pin every three days at 1ml?

That's why I suggested Mon, Wed, Fri - because it cuts out the confusion that might arise.

It would be better to keep those levels more constant, such as e3d like GSP said, however I've read a few instances on the forum where guys have been fine with the MWF protocol.

MK wrote: That's why I suggested Mon, Wed, Fri - because it cuts out the confusion that might arise.

It would be better to keep those levels more constant, such as e3d like GSP said, however I've read a few instances on the forum where guys have been fine with the MWF protocol.

Yeah, i agree with that e3d protocol may be easier to control and after reading your previous post MK and seeing MA's blood concentration grapgh, I think it may actually be superior to run the M, W, F protocol as opposed to e3d injections.

With the M W F pinning protocol would it make a big difference if I changed the Monday to a Sunday? Monday's are a bit hectic for me.

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Question above :silly:

Nah it would be fin IMO. You basically just replacing the two day break between a Friday and a Monday, with a two day break between the Sunday and Wednesday.

Hi don't want to create a new thread so I'll ask here since I'm planning on doing a similar cycle.

What's the waiting period til pct for super test? The article on the site says 18says, but cyp being the longest ester's half life is less? Anyone care to clarify this? Or am I just being stupid?

I believe the waiting period is 34 days. Or what ever the waiting period of cyp is.

Am I correct in saying hcg should only be kept in the fridge once it's reconstructed?

Kkkyle wrote: Am I correct in saying hcg should only be kept in the fridge once it's reconstructed?

yes, once its reconstituted. also, its efficacy is limited to a period not exceeding 40 days.

I'm just wondering if I should run it throughout or start mid cycle! Seen different opinions on protocol.

I'm gonna start maybe after 6 weeks. On my last cycle I only started noticing atrophy after about 5 or so weeks. Might just start after the dbol kicker.

Can you inject hcg IM not to clued up on subq pins