Short higher dose vs Longer lower dosage

Kkkyle wrote: I'm gonna start maybe after 6 weeks. On my last cycle I only started noticing atrophy after about 5 or so weeks. Might just start after the dbol kicker.

Can you inject hcg IM not to clued up on subq pins

As far as I understand you pin in IM, hence me asking if its fine to pin the hcg with the test together.

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote:

Kkkyle wrote: I'm gonna start maybe after 6 weeks. On my last cycle I only started noticing atrophy after about 5 or so weeks. Might just start after the dbol kicker.

Can you inject hcg IM not to clued up on subq pins

As far as I understand you pin in IM, hence me asking if its fine to pin the hcg with the test together.

Only problem with pinning the hcg with the test would be that it would be quite hard to draw up the correct amount into a normal syringe

When are you starting your cycle?

Ya I have absolutely no experience with hcg so hope some of the other guys jump in here.

If all goes right hopefully on Sunday. Still have exams but next week I'm off pretty much till Friday then I have two more weeks of exams. I'm summed though I wanted to start the cycle a lot heavier than I am now. I was at 78kgs a couple months ago then I started working internships with assignments on top of that and my weight dropped down to 75kgs now. Should be able to put it on again quick enough.

Cool! I'll start as soon as I get the stuff so that depends on how fast my guy gets it.

I'm on 77kg now, really trying to hit back the cals now, want to get as close to 80kg as possible.

Nice yea I'm keen to hit the gym hard again. Been slacking and diet has been shit. Got my diet planned out just trying to fine tune the calories I'm trying to get to 3200cal a day but it may be a bit much for me at the moment wanna try stay as lean as possible. How many calories are you looking at?

Dude if you want when I'm done with exams I will probably come to middelburg for a weekend we should meet up... your choice.

I started out on a 2300cal diet, so I have basicly added on to that by replacing shakes with whole meals, so if I had to guess I'm probably in the region of 2500-2600 cals. My weight has steadily picked up.

Yeah dude anytime, that's if admin allows us exchanging info.

Alright. Yea lol not sure if I'll get this 3200 cal diet down yet but I'll take it as it comes.

Hopefully. Ill just get your email from him before Im down there. Otherwise we will just have to skip it. Or make another plan

Guess we will find out soon enough! Otherwise just google my user name:p

kkkyle. after 6 weeks is perfect imo...Im running it @ 500ius e3d during my bridge.

Ball size is waaaaay up and then its pct with clomid,nolva and maybe some aromasin.

Goodluck.

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: I'm just wondering if I should run it throughout or start mid cycle! Seen different opinions on protocol.

I generally start HCG from week 2 to 3 if its just a test-based cycle but from week 1 if its a cycle which includes a nor-derivative. You want to basically introduce the compound as soon as you become supressed and when your body stops producing LH which stimulates the testes to produce test naturally.


Also, subcutaneous injections are generally the way most people administer HCG, usually using a slin pin with a 27 gauge needle. while it probably can be done, I have and propably never will do IM injections.

GSP wrote:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: I'm just wondering if I should run it throughout or start mid cycle! Seen different opinions on protocol.

I generally start HCG from week 2 to 3 if its just a test-based cycle but from week 1 if its a cycle which includes a nor-derivative. You want to basically introduce the compound as soon as you become supressed and when your body stops producing LH which stimulates the testes to produce test naturally.


Also, subcutaneous injections are generally the way most people administer HCG, usually using a slin pin with a 27 gauge needle. while it probably can be done, I have and propably never will do IM injections.

Thanx for the insight. A quik google search came up with IM shots for hcg, searching the forum via tapatalk just doesn't work, so thanx for the reply.

While on the subject how will using hcg during cycle effect the dosing of it during pct if at all?

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote:

GSP wrote:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: I'm just wondering if I should run it throughout or start mid cycle! Seen different opinions on protocol.

I generally start HCG from week 2 to 3 if its just a test-based cycle but from week 1 if its a cycle which includes a nor-derivative. You want to basically introduce the compound as soon as you become supressed and when your body stops producing LH which stimulates the testes to produce test naturally.


Also, subcutaneous injections are generally the way most people administer HCG, usually using a slin pin with a 27 gauge needle. while it probably can be done, I have and propably never will do IM injections.

Thanx for the insight. A quik google search came up with IM shots for hcg, searching the forum via tapatalk just doesn't work, so thanx for the reply.

While on the subject how will using hcg during cycle effect the dosing of it during pct if at all?

Generally you will use the HCG at a consisitent dose of between 500 TO 1000 IU's per week consistently for the duration of your cycle up until the week before PCT. You will onlyu require the larger dosages of the peptide if you have not consistently incorporated it in during your cycle and thus need to kickstart your leydig cells.

GSP wrote:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote:

GSP wrote:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: I'm just wondering if I should run it throughout or start mid cycle! Seen different opinions on protocol.

I generally start HCG from week 2 to 3 if its just a test-based cycle but from week 1 if its a cycle which includes a nor-derivative. You want to basically introduce the compound as soon as you become supressed and when your body stops producing LH which stimulates the testes to produce test naturally.


Also, subcutaneous injections are generally the way most people administer HCG, usually using a slin pin with a 27 gauge needle. while it probably can be done, I have and propably never will do IM injections.

Thanx for the insight. A quik google search came up with IM shots for hcg, searching the forum via tapatalk just doesn't work, so thanx for the reply.

While on the subject how will using hcg during cycle effect the dosing of it during pct if at all?

Generally you will use the HCG at a consisitent dose of between 500 TO 1000 IU's per week consistently for the duration of your cycle up until the week before PCT. You will onlyu require the larger dosages of the peptide if you have not consistently incorporated it in during your cycle and thus need to kickstart your leydig cells.

Ok but like pct.2 has hcg in the pct so you won't stop before pct? Or would it not be necessary to use hcg during pct due to it.used on cycle?

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote:

GSP wrote:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote:

GSP wrote:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: I'm just wondering if I should run it throughout or start mid cycle! Seen different opinions on protocol.

I generally start HCG from week 2 to 3 if its just a test-based cycle but from week 1 if its a cycle which includes a nor-derivative. You want to basically introduce the compound as soon as you become supressed and when your body stops producing LH which stimulates the testes to produce test naturally.


Also, subcutaneous injections are generally the way most people administer HCG, usually using a slin pin with a 27 gauge needle. while it probably can be done, I have and propably never will do IM injections.

Thanx for the insight. A quik google search came up with IM shots for hcg, searching the forum via tapatalk just doesn't work, so thanx for the reply.

While on the subject how will using hcg during cycle effect the dosing of it during pct if at all?

Generally you will use the HCG at a consisitent dose of between 500 TO 1000 IU's per week consistently for the duration of your cycle up until the week before PCT. You will onlyu require the larger dosages of the peptide if you have not consistently incorporated it in during your cycle and thus need to kickstart your leydig cells.

Ok but like pct.2 has hcg in the pct so you won't stop before pct? Or would it not be necessary to use hcg during pct due to it.used on cycle?

according to my understanding, you would not need to run HCG during the pct if you have used it throughout the cycle. The role of HCG in a cycle is based on the fact that the peptide mimics LH, the presence of which is required for your leydig cells to produce testosterone naturally. When introducing exogenous test into your body, your body stops producing LH and thus your leydig cells become inactive.

So as long as you are using HCG on cycle, your natty test production should continue, but a pct would still be needed to ensure that body starts producing hormones such as LH and FSH naturally again. My very laymen understanding of the endocrine system. Hopefully, this answers your question and, if I am incorrect, I hope MA will rectify me.

Thanks again, got a clearer understanding of it now! I was not planning on using hcg till pct so when I saw you guys posting on using it on cycle I was a bit confused.

And sorry for the thread hijack:p

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Thanks again, got a clearer understanding of it now! I was not planning on using hcg till pct so when I saw you guys posting on using it on cycle I was a bit confused.

And sorry for the thread hijack:p

No problem bud.

We are all hear to learn and help each other out at the end of the day.

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: I'm just wondering if I should run it throughout or start mid cycle! Seen different opinions on protocol.

I started my HCG in week 10 with a dose of 2500iu to kickstart my nuts. And from week 11 started @ 250iu x2 /week. seems to work. So ill use it till 1 week before i start pct.

Haha it has been so long since I last pinned my self with anything, no vit b complex, nothing, now Im supposed to have my first pin today and I am scared haha Firstly cos im not a fan of the injections and secondly cos im dreading the soreness tomorrow haha :silly: