bulking cycle for mass and strength

i cannot get my hands on npp unfortunately... also manery my supplier said that equipose is concentrated to 150mgs per ml that wud mean that ill have to do 3.25 ml each time and the bottle only has 10ml in it. does this sound right?

Thanks vonD ill contact admin

manery wrote: I think 750mg's of test is plenty for a second cycle. Have you considered npp? maybe lower the supertest dose and add in npp.

Can you not get your hands on PGW equi? 350mg/ml as for the diet contact dj like they said, he works wonders, you won't be disappointed

As for the second cycle, why not just run a test only cycle, 2ml super test a week, will be 640mg of test a week, save the money on the deca or equi, no need to complicate the cycle in my opinion, use the cash for Adex or Leto if you Gyno prone, a nice bridge and a decent pct.

You just going to waist money on low doses of deca and Equi, and they not cheap

Yeah seriously, deca for a second cycle? Surprised no one took a swing at that advice:lol:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Yeah seriously, deca for a second cycle? Surprised no one took a swing at that advice:lol:

Come at me bro! :lol: I am suggesting Deca because the dude is quite huge so it's a lot harder for him to gain muscle than it is for you and me. Nothing wrong with doing nandrolone on a second cycle if you know what you are doing.

@Spikedmini: Like VonD said contact DJ he is our diet king. I would do:
1-15 Test-En: 600mg/week
1-13 Nandrolone Decanoate 400mg/week (ratio of 2:3 Deca:Test)
1-4 Dbol @50mg ED with liver support starting before cycle
1-18 Proviron @60mg ED
Arimidex and Cabsser on hand
Bridge depends on you

I don't think the compound will be limited by his size, just up the dose:dry:

I agree with pyro, nandro can be used on a second cycle aslong as you no how control the sides and etc. Try get eq from pgw if you go that route, 350mg a ml. What lab are you planning on using?

heres a idea, run super test 2mls a week like PP suggested and if you want a bit extra add test prop to the mix to take advantage of the test prop and other short ester in supertest eg.

1-10 supertest 640g (monday: 1ml, tuesday: 1ml)
1-10 test prop 100mg every saterday

overall 740mg test a week. no need to kick start with anything as the test prop and other short esters will get to work fast! All you need is 1 10ml test prop vial and 2 supertest vials.

Maintaining 100Kg at 5'8" 12% after only one cycle is true monster zone and if those stats are accurate I would consider competing within a year or 2 if everything is in proportion.

You'll gain more mass off Deca than EQ and depending on your goals I would suggest that but I'm not a big fan of EQ anyway for cost:results. You're already carrying a crap load of muscle for a short guy new to steroids and if you don't have plans to compete you should still grow like a weed off just dbol/tbol and 600mg test.

What are your measurements? Arms, shoulders, chest, waist, legs, calves?

Nope i cant he said he can only get the one thats concentrated to 150mg and he doesnt give me much information because hes "busy" :blink: ...ok thanks manery and pyro ill check my budget and see what will be best for me (money wise)

I grew alot from my last cycle i did. im thinking of competing soon one thing is everything is not in proportion.my legs are lacking by quite abit but im going to train them as hard as i gain beggining of next year! ill post my measurments later today do not have a tape measure at home

Crazy how people with one or two cycles under the belt give advice on compounds they themselves have not used. Also most people who has used it says to use the cabaser and not keep it on hand. So if you want to tell people to use something atleast give good advices.

whom are you referring to pro??

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Crazy how people with one or two cycles under the belt give adive on compounds they themselves have not used. Also most people who has used it says to use the cabaser and not keep it on hand. So if you want to tell people to use something atleast give good advices.

spikedmini wrote: whom are you referring to pro??

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Crazy how people with one or two cycles under the belt give adive on compounds they themselves have not used. Also most people who has used it says to use the cabaser and not keep it on hand. So if you want to tell people to use something atleast give good advices.

Just saying in general man. Muscleadict gave you some sound advice.

Just pointing out that you will grow fine without deca for a second cycle, even on your current weight.

Like people allways says- this is not a race, even if you are going to compete.

My contact told me to day he can get deca npp for me 150mg concentration p/ml..

manery wrote: I think 750mg's of test is plenty for a second cycle. Have you considered npp? maybe lower the supertest dose and add in npp.

cool, if you want to run it, run it at 300mg a week for 10 weeks with the super test. Then bridge with winny and proviron. Solid cycle.

Ok cool thanks for all the advice pyro,manery,pro,posioned etc.

I appreciate it a lot

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Crazy how people with one or two cycles under the belt give advice on compounds they themselves have not used. Also most people who has used it says to use the cabaser and not keep it on hand. So if you want to tell people to use something atleast give good advices.

I am going to take a stab in the dark here and say you are referring to me?
If that's the case then I wanna get this right: You are pissed off at me because I suggested the guy keep casser on hand instead of telling him to actually include it on cycle of some of the OPINIONS you have heard from other guys?

If George Farah told Kai Green to use Tren for contest prep, would Kai tell him to get bent because he hasn't used it himself. NO! Because he trusts that George has done enough research on the topic and knows a nag of tricks in any case.

There is chinese saying: "A fact is a fact be it spoken by a king or his fool"
Like I would much rather to advice from Gorilla, Aspoester, Furk who only have one or two cycles under their.
While at this topic the people with the most cycles under their belt are normally 'those big guys at the gym". What you rather take advice from them? I am sure Beastropin would be happy to give you some advice!

Then to end this I don't see where the bad advise this. Muscleaddict confirmed that Nandrolone would yield great results and it is a possible option. In previous post he has said that Nandrolone is one of his favourite compounds.

Every piece of advice that I give is almost a direct reference to another thread that has also been discussed. That's the beauty of using a forum because you can find the advice of guys with lank experience and you have that knowledge now. If someone Suggests a 12 week TrenA cycle, will tell them not to do it because recently we have discussed this topic Elsewhere where KOE said straight up he would not run the compound for longer than 6 weeks. But yet I haven't done Tren before so according to you my advice null and void?

I remember a while ago you also shat in your pants in a thread where we were discussing of gyno caused by Nondrolone. Maybe you are just a bit too sensitive here?

I was actually referring to both you and manary. The forum is full of advice not to use 19nors for the first couple cycles, including both of you. Now for some reason you guys deem it right to use a 19nor on a second cycle? If that's the case I think he should just skip the deca and hit the tren? Why wait?

Let me just remind you that the simple reason one stays away from the 19nors at start is to see if you are prone to gyno.

With that said do you think that he with his one cycle has determined that?

And yes I would much much rather take advice from a guy who has actual experience with a compound than some guy who thinks he's done his research.. but hey that's just me:)

Gorilla got flamed by dj for something simular not to long ago- guys with 0 experience giving bad advice to other guys without experience(or even more)

In regards to the cabaser, yes I read it, but again- from people who have actual experience. Really not such a hard consept.

Also I'm not trying to be rude and I'm not going to debate this. The guy got advice and he is free to choose what ever he wants to. So no more "moves" from me.

Yes because Gorilla gave advice because he didn't really know enough about the compound. Where was this bad advice of mine that was so bad it needed a special mention. Just something to ponder- DJ suggested to me to run NPP on my second cycle. He never said anything about using the cabaser just in his words "cabasser and Arimidex on hold".
I know we give lots of advise to people saying to stay away from that stuff but then normally they haven't even reached anything close to their genetic potential in terms of natural gains. It's different when the dude is huge and it already close to his goal. Life is not only black and white but there are shades of grey inbetween. Exactly 50 apparently.
Dude saying you are not trying to be rude does not make it any less rude.

Sorry for the slight thread derailment spikedmini:lol:

Hey Spikedmini. Do you mind posting your measurements?, quite interested in it. Also your first cycle start and end results.

hahaahahha :lol: i see you and pyro are going at each other haha

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Sorry for the slight thread derailment spikedmini:lol:

Well the world would be a dull place if everyone always agreed:p

spikedmini wrote: hahaahahha :lol: i see you and pyro are going at each other haha

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Sorry for the slight thread derailment spikedmini:lol:

Just a difference of opinion. There is no hard feelings (at least not from my side).

Why would someone need to risk Deca if they get massively huge on test only?

And why the need for strength, spikedmini? Are you a powerlifter?

You will grow off of test no doubt but you are gonna have amazing results off of a Nandrolone cycle.