Test enanthate, NPP cycle

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11 Feb 2013 21:32 - 11 Feb 2013 21:47 #133097 by Adder
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I want to run a cycle consisting of the following structure but have a few questions:

( 1-4 Dbol @ 50mg / day )
1-10: Test E @ 600mg / week
1-10: NPP @ 300mg / week

Doctori's PCT 3.

QUESTIONS:

1.) Can I EXCLUDE Dbol from this cycle? Or is it not recommended to exclude dbol from such a cycle?

2.) Is it fine to use LETROZOLE as an AI on cycle at 0.25mg EOD as a preventative? Will this effect my gains?

3.) Is it applicable to use 500iu of HCG per week from week 1-10 in the above cycle?
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11 Feb 2013 22:07 #133099 by vaano
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I posted a similar thread. why not keep it going in mine :)

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11 Feb 2013 23:17 #133110 by p1et
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Adder wrote: I want to run a cycle consisting of the following structure but have a few questions:

( 1-4 Dbol @ 50mg / day )
1-10: Test E @ 600mg / week
1-10: NPP @ 300mg / week

Doctori's PCT 3.

QUESTIONS:

1.) Can I EXCLUDE Dbol from this cycle? Or is it not recommended to exclude dbol from such a cycle?

2.) Is it fine to use LETROZOLE as an AI on cycle at 0.25mg EOD as a preventative? Will this effect my gains?

3.) Is it applicable to use 500iu of HCG per week from week 1-10 in the above cycle?


You can keep the dbol frontload or leave it, but its nice to not have to wait for the test to get noticeable.

Yes you can use letro, i would start on a low dose every second and see how that goes, but if you are not prone to gyno why run it.

You dont need to run hcg from week 1, im not 100% sure when to start the hcg on your cycle though so il leave that for someone else to answer.

Also get some cabaser to keep on hand, since you are using npp.

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11 Feb 2013 23:17 #133111 by p1et
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Adder wrote: I want to run a cycle consisting of the following structure but have a few questions:

( 1-4 Dbol @ 50mg / day )
1-10: Test E @ 600mg / week
1-10: NPP @ 300mg / week

Doctori's PCT 3.

QUESTIONS:

1.) Can I EXCLUDE Dbol from this cycle? Or is it not recommended to exclude dbol from such a cycle?

2.) Is it fine to use LETROZOLE as an AI on cycle at 0.25mg EOD as a preventative? Will this effect my gains?

3.) Is it applicable to use 500iu of HCG per week from week 1-10 in the above cycle?


You can keep the dbol frontload or leave it, but its nice to not have to wait for the test to get noticeable.

Yes you can use letro, i would start on a low dose every second and see how that goes, but if you are not prone to gyno why run it.

You dont need to run hcg from week 1, im not 100% sure when to start the hcg on your cycle though so il leave that for someone else to answer.

Also get some cabaser to keep on hand, since you are using npp.

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11 Feb 2013 23:39 #133113 by Inja
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1) As above, Dbol as a front loader mostly helps to get the strength and such coming in a bit quicker. With NPP in the mix though that will kick in quickly.
Dbol is a nice addition if you don't like to wait and are not prone to its side effects or estrogen. Especially since you are not maxing out ideally on the test (see below).
2) Yes letrozole will hinder your maximal gains and will affect strength. There is a fine balance where a low dose is a good preventative on a short ten weeker, but this is person specific and takes some experimenting.
3) On such a short cycle I would only use the hCG at the end of the cycle as a ball booster... You do not have to worry too much about keeping them active for ten weeks and there is a risk of desensitization in some when running hCG for as long as ten weeks.

As an additional note I would rather run Prop or a blend like SuperTest with the NPP for ten weeks, as the test E alone will take a while to build up to maximal concentrations, shortening your best part of the cycle to six weeks... This is of course where the Dbol booster is helpful, however running the test E alone is still counter productive.

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12 Feb 2013 16:40 #133183 by GSP
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My two cents

Use the cabaser whether sides are experienced or not, increased prolactin levels, whether physically experienced or not, will make recovery a complete biatch and possibly result in hindering gains. In terms of HCG use, I do agree with Inja's issue that desensitizing may become an issue. I tend to incorporate HCG from week 1 with nor-derivates due to the quick shutdown of endogenous test production and the possibility of testicular atrophy. Nonetheless, a 10-week cycle is short and the HCG can probably be incorporated as part of a robust pct protocol. Also agree that best sticking with a test blend as opposed to a long-ester with NPP. I think a sus/npp or supertest/npp cycle with a dbol front load on an eod or tri-weekly pinning protocol will work well.

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15 Feb 2013 12:53 - 15 Feb 2013 12:54 #133400 by Adder
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Im going to be running the following:

1-4: Tbol @ 60mg/day (COULD I RUN AT 40MG PER DAY? OR IS IT POINTLESS?)
1-10: 300mg NPP / week. (Mon, Wed, Fri)
1-10: 640mg Supertest 320 (Mon, Wed, Fri)

AI:
Letro

PCT: Doctori PCT 3.

What dosage for CABASER as a preventative for NPP sides?

Is TBOL necessary? Are the gains keepable?
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15 Feb 2013 13:16 #133401 by SPUNKYDELUXE
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Adder wrote: Im going to be running the following:
1-10: 640mg Supertest 320 (Mon, Wed, Fri)


Hope thats a typo...640mg supertest Mon, wed and fri????Or did you mean 640mg Supertest/week????

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15 Feb 2013 13:46 #133402 by Adder
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SPUNKYDELUXE wrote:

Adder wrote: Im going to be running the following:
1-10: 640mg Supertest 320 (Mon, Wed, Fri)


Hope thats a typo...640mg supertest Mon, wed and fri????Or did you mean 640mg Supertest/week????


Yes type, sorry.

2ml Supertest per week (640mg). Pinned 0.5ml EOD. I read your post in another topic and adopted your pinning suggestion to EOD at 0.5ml. Would that work better in terms of blood levels being stable?

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15 Feb 2013 13:53 #133403 by Muscleaddict
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Adder wrote: Im going to be running the following:

1-4: Tbol @ 60mg/day (COULD I RUN AT 40MG PER DAY? OR IS IT POINTLESS?)
1-10: 300mg NPP / week. (Mon, Wed, Fri)
1-10: 640mg Supertest 320 (Mon, Wed, Fri)

AI:
Letro

PCT: Doctori PCT 3.

What dosage for CABASER as a preventative for NPP sides?

Is TBOL necessary? Are the gains keepable?


0.25mg twice a week should be fine. Some people need more but you shouldn't at that dose of NPP. Start low and see how that goes.

Tbol is awesome! 40mg is the minimum effective dose. It really comes down to how much you're willing to spend.

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15 Feb 2013 15:46 #133411 by Adder
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Would it be worth running tbol for 4 weeks at 60mg / day?

Also how would incorporate HCG by using it as a bridge from cycle to PCT or whatever you recommend

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18 Feb 2013 08:34 #133491 by SPUNKYDELUXE
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Adder wrote:

SPUNKYDELUXE wrote:

Adder wrote: Im going to be running the following:
1-10: 640mg Supertest 320 (Mon, Wed, Fri)


Hope thats a typo...640mg supertest Mon, wed and fri????Or did you mean 640mg Supertest/week????


Yes type, sorry.

2ml Supertest per week (640mg). Pinned 0.5ml EOD. I read your post in another topic and adopted your pinning suggestion to EOD at 0.5ml. Would that work better in terms of blood levels being stable?


That should be fine...stable blood levels are key in obtaining good solid continues gains...Personally I would up the dosage to maybe 0.7ml EOD but I dont think it's required....

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