Newbie planning on doing a proper cycle in future

:ohmy: Hi guys I've just recently joined this forum however I've been trolling on the forum as a guest for very long and I just want to say thank you for a great site I have really learned alot from this site

Now to get down to business my stats are as follows:

Age: 22
Height: 1.82cm
Weight: 68kgs
BF%: not sure will get it checked

I've been training since 2008 but only seriously started training last year, I did my first course last year using PGW test cyp at 2mls a week and dianabols as a front load at 40mg a day. I picked up weight even though my eating was up to s@#% but wasted my first cycle due to not doing a proper PCT meaning I lost most of it ...but finally I have decided to take the long but best way about it. I want to sort out my diet and stick to it until I get my weight between 75kgs and 80kgs, then I will look at doing a proper cycle from start to finish.

The cycle I'm looking at doing is:

PGW supertest at 2mls a week split Monday and Thursday (12 weeks)
PGW test prop 2mls a week split Monday and Thursday (5 weeks)
Oraltech dianabols at 40mg a day for (3 weeks)

I will be bridging with Winny and proviron to harden up a bit and let the proviron free up some of the test before starting my PCT.

My PCT will be 36days after my last shot as the Test cyp in the supertest is the longest ester and my PCT will be as follows:

Clomid at 100mg a day for 7 days
Pregnyl at 500iu's twice a week so 10 shots
Kessar at 20mg for 30 days

Do you guys think that the dianabols will be beneficial because I know the test prop takes about a week and a half to kick in and overall is the cycle a decent one? Can you inject the supertest and test prop using 1syringe?

How can I get hold of the famous Squirrel so he can hook me up with one of his famous diets?

Yet again thanks for a great site that I would recommend all the "I want to get HUGE on a course of anapolan Guys" to educate themselves on this site.

Peace

you dont need the prop if you are doing super test. super test contain the prop ester.
you dont need prop if you are doing d/bols
email admin for djs details

you also need to do more research

You seriously need to tweak your diet and training before you attempt a next cycle, im close to your age and hight. You can be over 110kg naturally, so there is big issues somewhere.....

Let the squirrel do your cycle for you!

Hi guys thanks for your guys input.

I did state that I'm first focusing on my diet before I start this course, no mater how long it takes me. Secondly I heard the supertest doesn't kick in as fast as it should hence the reason I added the test prop.

I am doing my research and I haven't jumped into this cycle without first sorting out the basics.

180cm at 68kgs is way to light to be juicing, sort your diet out. Tooo much gear, no need for prop!!

Keep your cycle simple at this stage. As you say its you first 'proper' cycle.
Dbol front, test cyp/enan and winstrol bridge. Use HCG mid cycle and your good to go.
And eat a lot. When you think your eating a lot, eat some more lol.
Good luck

Totally agree with everyone one here. Especially Bandit.

Eat eat eat. Clean of course!

Dude, I might not be the biggest expert here however I have done cycles in the past. With some awesome results. Even without them if you can focus on your goals, you'll still achieve them. Gear does not change the fact that you will now have to work even harder to get more and better results.

My opinion is, stick with the test c and dbols.

Test 12-14 weeks.
Dbol - 4 weeks (no longer than that) 40mg per day. Spread out of course

Be patient. Dbols will help you while the test starts to work its way through.
I'm in my 4th week now of this exact same cycle and I can tell you, it feels like I can carry the world on my back I feel so good. Pretty sure the test have started to kick in.

Personally I would use clomid, HCG and Nolva for PCT. If not I would leave the Clomid out, if I had to leave anything out. Just my opinion. No one has to agree with that. Nolva works well.

Proviron dude, start using that shait early in the cycle as well...I have a boep from water retention now....or fat. Fcuk knows. I'm trying the proviron to see. But I have been chowing an unbelievable amount of food lately.
I've gone from 74kg to 87kg during this time. And I'm 100% convinced it cannot possibly be all muscle. I'm seriously looking into my diet now to cut back on the fatty and sugary treats we all love so much.

I would say you are pretty clued up. Just get your weight up a bit. People on these forums are also quick to tell you to go do your research....but the way I feel is...YOU ARE DOING YOUR RESEARCH by asking for advice. So respect to you buddy.

Bandit and quite few of the member here really do know their stuff so I would suggest you speak to them. Don't listen to everyone though. Some just read up and think they are experts.

Anyhow...my idea of a proper first cycle is:

12 to 14 weeks Test C 500mg p/w ( I do 250mg x 2 per week. No need for it though. Once a week @ 500mg is pretty much the same. People say it keeps blood levels stab;e, but thats garbig man). Feel free to google doctors opinions on this matter)
Dbols weeks @ 40mg per day

And do your PCT man otherwise don't do your cycle. PGW is also an amaizing UGL dude, personally the best I think. Especially for what I pay for it.

Before you follow my advice or anyone else's for that matter, look into you diet, with juicing comes a lot of responsibilities....and commitment as far as dedication go...don't stuff up a good cycle

What's your diet like if you only weigh 68kg?

Yeah I agree with you 100% that your diet is absolutely the most important element but I said in my opening post that I'm only going to start the course once I've upped my weight to 75kg or 80kg.

Hence why I'm doing all my research now so that by the time it comes to hitting the course I'm sorted in all aspects. I appreciate everyone's advice and I take it to heart. I really am keen on using the supertest because of the 5 esters but I don't want to use the dianabols as I'm on Accutane so my liver is already under stress hence the test prop at 200mg a week...but hey I'm all ears for critique and advice.

This site is for people to educate themselves and I believe my first post was sensible because I didn't come here saying I'm going to do tren ace, deca, supertest cycle like other noobs...I came here saying I know I'm a lightweight and hey not everyone is naturally gifted with great physiques and I know I have to start with my diet but that's exactly what I stated in my first post.

But thanks benji for atleast reading my post and being a nice guy about it aswell not blasting me about my weight an my diet like other people did.

But never the less thanks guys

Wondderkidd wrote: Yeah I agree with you 100% that your diet is absolutely the most important element but I said in my opening post that I'm only going to start the course once I've upped my weight to 75kg or 80kg.

Hence why I'm doing all my research now so that by the time it comes to hitting the course I'm sorted in all aspects. I appreciate everyone's advice and I take it to heart. I really am keen on using the supertest because of the 5 esters but I don't want to use the dianabols as I'm on Accutane so my liver is already under stress hence the test prop at 200mg a week...but hey I'm all ears for critique and advice.

This site is for people to educate themselves and I believe my first post was sensible because I didn't come here saying I'm going to do tren ace, deca, supertest cycle like other noobs...I came here saying I know I'm a lightweight and hey not everyone is naturally gifted with great physiques and I know I have to start with my diet but that's exactly what I stated in my first post.

But thanks benji for atleast reading my post and being a nice guy about it aswell not blasting me about my weight an my diet like other people did.

But never the less thanks guys

Hey sorry my post wasn't a very welcoming one haha. Im also on acutane and currently running some Test prop with tbol but i cut the tbol because i noticed my liver was taking stress, so i wouldn't recommend a oral while on acutane. I promise you, you dont even need it you will grow so much on test, and if you run the test prop as a front load your health wont suffer(liver stress) and your gains will be better. Have you considered running Test prop instead of ST then theirs no need to front load? How much acutane are you taking? how longs your course?

Sorry if I sounded mean, but in my time in this game I have met many, and almost always the guy tells you that he eats alot, bla bla and trains hard.... but hasnt got a clue....

Dont blame genetics for anything, it is within any persons reach to attain greatness for himself, and what im reccomending is that you stay off gear untill you know the meaning of diet and training.....for at least 2 years or until you are closer to 90kg.

Because, sorry to say,but i have to ask, do you even train? Or a medical condition?

It seems to me you just want an easy way out and steroids is not the way....

How long have you actually even been training? I remembered when i was a skinny 13yr old skateboarder who had the same stats as you, no offence. I scratch all my advise, you need to pick up some serious mass naturally which will be easily attainable since you have such alot of room to grow. Post your diet.

It's all good guys I understand I've seen a lot of new guys coming and wanting to just juice it up yet they don't know a thing so I forgive you guys haha

I train 4 times a week and my split is as follows:

Monday: chest and tri's
Tuesday: back and bi's
Wednesday: rest
Thursday: legs and calves
Friday: chest and tri's

My chest is my weak point so I try train it twice a week. I do abs every second day and I play club football so I'm quite fit and I was always curios if that has an affect on me trying to gain weight. I'm going to get hold of Dj in the next few days to get a decent diet because I'm not eating nearly enough, if I'm not correct I have to eat at least 3200-3500 calories but like I said I'll leave that for the expert Dj to decide haha

I'm patient because I know your first cycle is always your golden one and I've messed that one up so second one has to be a belter of a cycle.

I'm currently on 40mg of Accutane (nasty shit), that's why I suggested test prop even though the supertest has a certain amount of it in already but not nearly enough to really feel anything in the first weeks. Plus I saw someone in another post saying that supertest with test prop wouldn't be a bad combo...but like I said I'm not an expert so all the advice I can get I will take and use in order to reach my goals.

I want to get to 85kg's but be lean as f$&@ maybe even then do something to drop my body fat even more after that but all with time of course haha

Dude You will be suprized how quickly you will start to see results with ST. Ny friend is doing his first cycle and he has just finished week 3 of his Test E 600mg ew cycle and he has already gained 4 kgs and he's never looked leaner so trust me you will see results shortly after you start and results will only get better as the weeks go on. You will also be in the hands of DJ so your results will be awesome and make sure you have a good source, my personal preference and most of members of the forum is PGW.

Yeah I think I'm just being a but inpatient and will rather just let the supertest do its thing haha

I used PGW test cyp on my first cycle and I went from 64kg's to 74kg's and I wasn't eating nearly as well as I should of and I must say PGW is the only brand I will ever use, really a great product.

I have contacted admin to get Dj's details so I'm excited to speak to him to get my diet sorted out and then once I'm in the routine and my weight is up where it needs to be I'll look at doing the supertest course...although I am quite scared of it due to the fact that people are saying it has a bit of a bite to it haha luckily I have some time to grow a pair of balls before I use it

Bit of bite? No my friend it hurts like shit, but you get use to sitting on one ass cheek at a time.

You will feel the super test at around week 5. But im sure the test starts working sooner with the prop in there.

Also running st for 14weeks and injecting glutes and quads, 3times a week will leave you with used out injection sites in 10 weeks, so i recomend looking to do delts aswell.

Why not just do this first?

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles/48-cycle-1

I agree with SNOK1986. Cyp at 500mg a week for 12 weeks and dbol at 30-50mg a day for 4-5 weeks. I did that but added deca into it last year and I got amazing results as I was around your weight last year.

I was 69 before that cycle now I'm 86. That in about a year. But my diet was insane. Not all fancy, but i bought thirty whole chickens, rump steak and sirloin, 12 kg fish, 30 bags of mixed veg, egg whites, oats, pronutro and a more during that 12 weeks.

I'm not on gear but on 5xl at morning and cassein whey before I sleep. So gear is good but food is the best. Don't forget a mass gainer during your cycle and a pre workout (shotgun is king). Only use it for big muscles, twice a week. i see you struggling with your chest so do use it chest days. Put more focus on your food first! Good luck and let them haters hate.

AvrilBooysen99 wrote: I did that but added deca into it last year

O okay so not much of a change hey! Pretty much the same difference...